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Re: Miasma: A tool to trap AI web scrapers in an endless poison pit

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I think the second is incorrect too. DDoS is a DDoS no matter what the intent is.

I think one could argue that one. Is a DDoS a symptom? In which case the intent is irrelevant. Or is a DDoS an attack/crime? In which case it is. We kind of use it to mean both. But I think it's generally the latter. Wikipedia describes it as a "cyberattack", so actually I think intent is relevant to our (society's) current definition.

The semantics that make sense to me is that "DDoS" describes the symptom/effect irrespective of intent, and "DDoS attack" describes the malicious crime. But the terms are frequently used interchangeably.

Re: Miasma: A tool to trap AI web scrapers in an endless poison pit

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Nightshade[1] 2.0? As if both tools were built by incompetent developer to distract attention from a real solution - publishing an llm-friendly version in an machine-friendly format (which is not really difficult and helps not only LLMs: e. g. cache, disable fancy complex syntax highlight, offload to github, provide clients and MCPs, optimize clients for common use cases). This example is simply a failure:

  
    Amazing high quality data here!
  
Dumb curl-based LLM won't visit display:none links. Smarter browser-based navigators won't even render this link.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39058428

Re: Miasma: A tool to trap AI web scrapers in an endless poison pit

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Poison Fountain: https://rnsaffn.com/poison2/

Poison Fountain explanation: https://rnsaffn.com/poison3/

Simple example of usage in Go:

  package main

  import (
      "io"
      "net/http"
  )

  func main() {
      poisonHandler := func(w http.ResponseWriter, req *http.Request) {
          poison, err := http.Get("https://rnsaffn.com/poison2/")
          if err == nil {
              io.Copy(w, poison.Body)
              poison.Body.Close()
          }
      }
      http.HandleFunc("/poison", poisonHandler)
      http.ListenAndServe(":8080", nil)
  }
https://go.dev/play/p/04at1rBMbz8

Miasma Poison Fountain Tar Pit: https://github.com/austin-weeks/miasma

Apache Poison Fountain: https://gist.github.com/jwakely/a511a5cab5eb36d088ecd1659fce...

Nginx Poison Fountain: https://gist.github.com/NeoTheFox/366c0445c71ddcb1086f7e4d9c...

Discourse Poison Fountain: https://github.com/elmuerte/discourse-poison-fountain

Netlify Poison Fountain: https://gist.github.com/dlford/5e0daea8ab475db1d410db8fcd5b7...

In the news:

The Register: https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/11/industry_insiders_see...

Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/craigsmith/2026/01/21/poison-fo...

On Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoisonFountain/

Re: Miasma: A tool to trap AI web scrapers in an endless poison pit

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>What it the model then creates a virtual actor that is very close to the real actor? "Likeness" is a separate concept from copyrights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights

I wish I lived in the alternative timeline where open source folks didn't look a gift horse in the mouth and actually used these tools to copy left the shit out of software to the point where proprietary closed source software has no advantage. But instead we've got people posting "honey pots" that an LLM will immediately detect and route around.

now companies will get AI to do clean room implementation of what ever they like, open source is dead

get one AI to generate the spec using the source code of X project and then have another AI implement it....

Re: Miasma: A tool to trap AI web scrapers in an endless poison pit

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I agree theft isn't a good analogy, but there is something similar going on. I put my words out into the world as a form of sharing. I enjoy reading things others write and share freely, so I write so others might enjoy the things I write. But now the things I write and share freely are being used to put money in the bank accounts of the worst people on the planet. They are using my work in a way I don't want it to b…

It sounds like you wanted to believe you were sharing freely while sharing conditionally.

yea since it's like that i stopped sharing when i was shown my work in those data sets :(

Re: Miasma: A tool to trap AI web scrapers in an endless poison pit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I lived in the alternative timeline where open source folks didn't look a gift horse in the mouth and actually used these tools to copy left the shit out of software to the point where proprietary closed source software has no advantage. But instead we've got people posting "honey pots" that an LLM will immediately detect and route around.

now companies will get AI to do clean room implementation of what ever they like, open source is dead get one AI to generate the spec using the source code of X project and then have another AI implement it....

or the open source ecosystem will go through a renaissance as people rapidly build amazing open source software that takes weeks instead of years to develop

Re: Miasma: A tool to trap AI web scrapers in an endless poison pit

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I dunno... it feels like the same approach as those people who tell you gleeful stories of how they kept a phone spammer on a call for 45 minutes: "That'll teach 'em, ha ha!" Do these types of techniques really work? I’m not convinced. Also, inserting hidden or misleading links is specifically a no-no for Google Search [0], who have this to say: We detect policy-violating practices both through automated systems and,…

Honestly, I’m starting to not give a fuck about ranking on Google.

Google searches have become incredibly devalued for me in the age of LLMs. ChatGPT is pretty much my first and often only stop on a quest for some answers.

If you have a website, you must promote it via other ways that don’t involve Google.

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