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iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM

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Re: iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM

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2 years ago, LLMs failed at answering coherently. Last year, they failed at answering fast on optimized servers. Now, they're failing at answering fast on underpowered handheld devices... I can't wait to see what they'll be failing to do next year.

The speed on a constrained device isn't entirely the point. Two years ago, LLMs failed at answering coherently. Now... You're absolutely right. Now, LLMs are too slow to be useful on handheld devices, and the future of LLMs is brighter than ever. LLMs can be useful, but quite often the responses are about as painful as LinkedIn posts. Will they get better? Maybe. Will they get worse? Maybe.

> Will they get better? Maybe. Will they get worse? Maybe.

I find it hard to understand your uncertainty; how could they not keep getting even better when we've been seeing qualitative improvements literally every second week for months on end? These improvements being eminently public and applied across multiple relevant dimensions: raw inference speed (https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/releases), external-facing capabilities (https://github.com/open-webui/open-webui/releases) and performance against established benchmarks (https://unsloth.ai/docs/models/qwen3.5/gguf-benchmarks)

Re: iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM

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post #143

My iPad Air with M2 can run local LLMs rather well. But it gets ridiculously hot within seconds and starts throttling.

I wonder if anyone has made a liquid cooling system for ipads / phones. Like, a sealed thing that seals onto the back of the device and circulates cooling water directly against the back surface.

Re: iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM

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I had a dream that everyone had super intelligent AIs in their pockets, and yet all they did was doomscroll and catfish...shortly before everything was destroyed.

A modern Nostradamus?

It was just a dream, which quickly turned into a nightmare.

Re: iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM

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post #143

My iPad Air with M2 can run local LLMs rather well. But it gets ridiculously hot within seconds and starts throttling.

I wonder if anyone has made a liquid cooling system for ipads / phones. Like, a sealed thing that seals onto the back of the device and circulates cooling water directly against the back surface.

A more whimsical method is to put the thing in a glass of water with the cord sticking out. :-)

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmulationOnAndroid/comments/1m269k0...

Re: iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM

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post #178

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Thanks for posting this, that's how I first found out about Dan's experiment! SSD speed doubled in the M5P/M generation, that makes it usable! I think one paper under the radar is "KV Prediction for Improved Time to First Token" https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.08391 which hopefully can help with prefill for Flash streaming.

That’s exactly what I thought about. Getting my hands on an M5 Max this week and going to see hows Dan’s experiment performs with faster I/O. Also going to experiment with running active parameters at Q6 or Q8 since output is I/O bottlenecked there should room for higher accuracy compute.

To be fair, it's "possible" to run such setup with llama.cpp with ssd offload. It's just abysmal TG speeds. But it's possible.
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