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Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by gib444 »

dkhenry wrote: post #169

Just wait until you find out the benefits of taking them away from kids altogether! Phones are a mental health hazard for children, there is no benefit for them having a phone. The only downside is they feel left out when their friends only want to sit around and scroll TikTok, and can't manage to have any in person interactions without their face in a screen. None of my children have phones, and when they do get one…

Every parent when the kids are 0-3 says "I won't give them sugar/chocolate", "absolutely not having an iPad/iPhone before 14/15/16 years old", " no TV in their bedroom" etc.

They ALL cave lol

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Post by kelseyfrog »

DANmode wrote: post #209
kelseyfrog wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The society that supports phoneless children no longer exists. It stopped sometime in the 2010s. Taking away phones doesn't bring that infrastructure back, it culminates in something new and worse. One example is the tension between childrens' independence and roaming and the now lack of payphones. Taking away a cell phone doesn't bring back payphones. It either reduces a child's independence or puts them in more dan…

Who said take phones away? No, teach them some motherfucking respect , so they know, instinctually, that when someone’s talking to them for 30-60 minutes they should pocket or bag it.

Sorry, but childrens' lack of respect was lamented in Antiquity. I don't see that changing in the next 5 years if it hasn't changed in the last 2000.

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Post by kevincrane »

throwaway902984 wrote: post #197

Hundreds of comments and not one seems to think this is misguided - unusual for this community. Save the children I guess.

Unironically yes, save the children by not letting them be on smartphones all day during school.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by DANmode »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #212
DANmode wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said take phones away? No, teach them some motherfucking respect , so they know, instinctually, that when someone’s talking to them for 30-60 minutes they should pocket or bag it.

Sorry, but childrens' lack of respect was lamented in Antiquity. I don't see that changing in the next 5 years if it hasn't changed in the last 2000.

As a known exception, not as a rule.

Disrespect toward supposed authority figures as a default is a very modern concept.

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Post by netruk44 »

tiberone wrote: post #194
dizzy9 wrote: post #43

> In crafting its policy, Estacada incorporated feedback from parents. That led to some key decisions around the cell phone ban. Rather than use pouches or lockers, students are allowed to keep their phones safely stored in their backpacks. That was for two reasons — it allows students to contact loved ones during emergencies, and many parents use phone trackers to keep tabs on their kids. I'm glad to hear this. They…

> Students can be trusted to obey a simple "no phones in class" rule. Anybody who has spent even a day teaching knows how wildly inaccurate this statement is

Anybody who has spent a day in school as a student knows that students can’t be trusted to follow the rules.

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Post by DiskoHexyl »

netruk44 wrote: post #215
tiberone wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Students can be trusted to obey a simple "no phones in class" rule. Anybody who has spent even a day teaching knows how wildly inaccurate this statement is

Anybody who has spent a day in school as a student knows that students can’t be trusted to follow the rules.

People in general can't be trusted to follow the rules. That's why we have the inforcement.

Students are just little people

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Post by eudamoniac »

dizzy9 wrote: post #43

> In crafting its policy, Estacada incorporated feedback from parents. That led to some key decisions around the cell phone ban. Rather than use pouches or lockers, students are allowed to keep their phones safely stored in their backpacks. That was for two reasons — it allows students to contact loved ones during emergencies, and many parents use phone trackers to keep tabs on their kids. I'm glad to hear this. They…

I don't understand. We had a "no phones in class" rule when I was in school over a decade ago. It was the obvious default. How did it go away, and how is this new policy different from the obvious? Are they saying that until now their policy was that phones are openly allowed in class? Why??

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Post by eudamoniac »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #128
dgxyz wrote: post #30

UK here. My kid's school is insane. They think they are so progressive because they banned personal phones entirely, which is fair enough. But they forced us to buy marked up Yondr pouches, which is not fair. However this isn't the only problem. They also force us to pay monthly for iPads with wonky ass Logitech cases to be issued on which they do everything on Google classroom. Google Classroom is an abhorrently bad…

Man. Offloading all tbose costs to parents is stupid. But that aside: why is it always that edTech seems to have such shoddy software?

Used to work in edtech. It's because like most software purchasers, the schools literally only care about a feature matrix. Fixing bugs or performance was considered a waste of feature time and thus of potential contracts.

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Post by eudamoniac »

selectively wrote: post #149
saltyoldman wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that?

The obvious reasons. People who do not have political agency should not have decisions made that prevent them from using their own devices in a setting that they are legally required to be in. That's not how things should work. One group of people should not be setting policy for another group of people in this matter. The victims of these policies aren't infants; they will be adults in about five minutes. Blankets b…

I mean, sure. They are old enough to make their own decisions? Alright, then they are old enough to be expelled from public schooling for those decisions. They can decide to disrupt the classroom, or they can decide to get an education. They don't get to fuck up everyone else's education with no recourse because they are still children, while simultaneously retaining all personal rights because they are nearly adults.

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Post by [deleted] »

DANmode wrote: post #209
kelseyfrog wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The society that supports phoneless children no longer exists. It stopped sometime in the 2010s. Taking away phones doesn't bring that infrastructure back, it culminates in something new and worse. One example is the tension between childrens' independence and roaming and the now lack of payphones. Taking away a cell phone doesn't bring back payphones. It either reduces a child's independence or puts them in more dan…

Who said take phones away? No, teach them some motherfucking respect , so they know, instinctually, that when someone’s talking to them for 30-60 minutes they should pocket or bag it.

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