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“Your frustration is the product”

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Post by doubled112 »

aldousd666 wrote: post #209
doubled112 wrote: post #207

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Is the adblocking VPN doing anything some DNS block lists on your router or device wouldn’t do? You can’t do MITM on HTTPS anyway, so I can’t imagine they would do anything more than a $20 Pi Zero and PiHole, except for the fact that somebody else is managing it.

I could do that, but then I'd have to maintain it. I used to hostfile hack my devices. but the vpn is just easier.

Fair enough. Sometimes a VPN is also easier than forcing each device to use a specific DNS server too. I get it.

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Post by aldousd666 »

grishka wrote: post #164
egypturnash wrote: post #160

> As Bose notes, “A lot of websites actively interfere the reader from accessing them by pestering them with their ‘apps’ these days. I don’t know where this fascination with getting everyone to download your app comes from.” It comes from people who literally do not understand, and do not enjoy, the web, but yet find themselves running large websites. I would presume that this fascination with pushing viewers to the…

Also because they can spam you with notifications through the app and that surely makes some chart go up. As someone with meticulous notification hygiene, it's always surprising to me just how many people allow every app to send notifications when it asks, without thinking about it at all.

Some advice I follow, and give to others: Refuse notifications by default. Only enable them when you're getting paid to see them. (slack and work email, for example count as getting paid to see them)

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Post by grishka »

aldousd666 wrote: post #212
grishka wrote: post #164

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Also because they can spam you with notifications through the app and that surely makes some chart go up. As someone with meticulous notification hygiene, it's always surprising to me just how many people allow every app to send notifications when it asks, without thinking about it at all.

Some advice I follow, and give to others: Refuse notifications by default. Only enable them when you're getting paid to see them. (slack and work email, for example count as getting paid to see them)

My version of that is to ask yourself what this app could notify you about and decide based on that.

What could a game notify you about? Nothing, probably spam. Deny.

What could a social app notify you about? Interactions with your content and profile. These are useful, allow.

What could an instant messaging app notify you about? Messages, obviously. Allow.

What could a fast food establishment app notify your about? Probably your order status if you order from the app. But it might also spam you. Allow but be prepared to turn off categories that are spammy if spam does arrive.

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

mikestew wrote: post #192
latexr wrote: post #185

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Isn’t that Apple News+? Cheaper than $20, too. Alternatively, Libby is free (and yes, legal, though not available everywhere).

Isn’t that Apple News+? You would be correct, but...and I say this as a subscriber to Apple's "all-in-one" package...Apple News+ is in many ways garbage. Low-rent articles from publications whose time has long passed (looking at you, Popular Mechanics ), with Taboola-grade ads interspersed (as Gruber said recently, how many 30-something blonde women need hearing aids?). That said, stay away from the front page and go…

"For all my bitching, I'd still recommend it" has been my take since I got it sometime last year. It's kind of remarkable -- the ads are absolute trash and the apps, while not bad, are a little weird in hard-to-define ways other than "Apple used to do better at this whole UI thing". But if you want just a handful of the paywalled publications it unlocks for you, it's a great deal.

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Post by jrmg »

saltyoldman wrote: post #186
MyHonestOpinon wrote: post #183

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I have been waiting for "Netflix for news or magazines". Pay $20 a month and get access to multiple publishers.

What frustrates me to no end, is that Youtube makes about $2 per user per month from ads. Yet if i want to go ad free, they expect me to pay $14 per month. Why in the hell would they not just sell it to me at cost for $2. Heck, I'll even say I'll be a customer for the REST OF TIME if they did that. I understand why Netflix and other vendors charge $12 - $20 because it has to pay for the copyright. But Youtube does NO…

FWIW, YouTube Premium Lite is $8/month. It removes ads from most content, just not music, and doesn’t include YouTube Music. For me it’s well worth it.

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

tasuki wrote: post #193

Somewhat tangential... I clicked on the "Dithering" link on Gruber's website. It leads to a podcast of his. The cover image is a 6.6mb JPEG. Man, do you even know what "dithering" means?

"Be indecisive." It means multiple things. :)

Also, (1) the image is dithered, ha ha, and (2) The image on the page https://daringfireball.net/2020/05/dithering is an 863K PNG. (Which I bet we could still get down to a smaller size, granted.) It took me a bit to figure out what you're looking at -- the Dithering site on passport.online, where the cover art is inexplicably 3000x3000 pixels. I'm too tired to come up with a good crack about how that explains what I don't like about Ben Thompson, but I bet it's there.

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Post by scubbo »

AlienRobot wrote: post #33
red_admiral wrote: post #27

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For "lyric sites" read "ad sites that use lyrics to attract an audience". That's where we are today.

People want lyrics. They don't want to pay for them, but they want someone to make the lyrics available for them, for free, on the Internet, forever. And they feel they are entitled to this without ads for some reason. That's where we are today.

> for some reason

Jeez, man. This is just sad.

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Post by etiennebausson »

dmd wrote: post #178

> the equivalent of a broadcast TV channel that only showed 7 minutes of actual TV content per hour, devoting the other 53 minutes to paid commercials and promotions for other shows on the same channel. Almost no one would watch such a channel. I recently was in a 45 minutes Uber ride where the driver had the stereo set to the Sirius XM self-advertising channel - the one you get if you haven't subscribed. For 45 minu…

Is it possible that he was paid to play such add to his passengers?

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Post by hkt »

MyHonestOpinon wrote: post #183
btbuildem wrote: post #146

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If I may, what was your vision? What were you aiming to replace the ads with?

I have been waiting for "Netflix for news or magazines". Pay $20 a month and get access to multiple publishers.

Press reader is basically this, although it lacks some of the better titles.
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