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Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by chokolad »

BizarroLand wrote: post #188
chokolad wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not true. Source - me, MSFT for 25 years.

Yes, because you know what all of the 200,000+ employees are doing in every wing and branch of the entire company. Then again, Microsoft themselves directly dispute your statement: Across the landscape of more than 750,000 devices in use at Microsoft, we support Windows, Android, iOS, and macOS devices. Windows devices account for approximately 60 percent of the total employee-device population, while iOS, Android, a…

> while iOS, Android, and macOS account for the rest. Of these devices, approximately 45 percent are

Pretty much everyone has an android or iOS device in their pocket. A lot of those devices are enrolled into Microsoft MDM in order to access email/teams/etc. These phones are part of the stats. Dev work in general is done on Windows boxes, unless you are in specific teams that have other requirements. Default is Windows, specifically Windows laptop.

Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by chokolad »

jiggawatts wrote: post #189
chokolad wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not true. Source - me, MSFT for 25 years.

I’ve seen Microsoft employees run public presentations from MacBooks on multiple occasions.

> I’ve seen Microsoft employees run public presentations from MacBooks on multiple occasions.

This is specifically done to show that Microsoft tech eg .net is not tied to Windows.

Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by BizarroLand »

chokolad wrote: post #211
BizarroLand wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because you know what all of the 200,000+ employees are doing in every wing and branch of the entire company. Then again, Microsoft themselves directly dispute your statement: Across the landscape of more than 750,000 devices in use at Microsoft, we support Windows, Android, iOS, and macOS devices. Windows devices account for approximately 60 percent of the total employee-device population, while iOS, Android, a…

> while iOS, Android, and macOS account for the rest. Of these devices, approximately 45 percent are Pretty much everyone has an android or iOS device in their pocket. A lot of those devices are enrolled into Microsoft MDM in order to access email/teams/etc. These phones are part of the stats. Dev work in general is done on Windows boxes, unless you are in specific teams that have other requirements. Default is Windo…

200,000+ windows devices issued by the company.

200,000+ phones.

Worst case somewhere around 50,000-150,000 tablets.

That leaves ~200,000 unaccounted for devices with only macOS on the table. I think the saturation is higher than you have experienced, although I'll give that it's entirely possible that the areas you worked in were not one of them.

Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by tacticus »

charles_f wrote: post #116
gertrunde wrote: post #16

It's not very clear from the article, but I get the feeling from the context that the 'pile of shit' quote referenced the package of documentation about the service rather than the service itself. (That seems to be the main complaint, that Microsoft never provided the clear information required to conduct the assessment properly).

> The tech giant’s “lack of proper detailed security documentation” left reviewers with a “lack of confidence in assessing the system’s overall security posture,” according to an internal government report reviewed by ProPublica. > > Or, as one member of the team put it: “The package is a pile of shit.” Yes, it seems pretty clear from that quote that the reviewer said the security package was a `pile of shit`, and pr…

> microsoft unable to explain and show security model to federal cyber experts.

Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by chokolad »

BizarroLand wrote: post #213
chokolad wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> while iOS, Android, and macOS account for the rest. Of these devices, approximately 45 percent are Pretty much everyone has an android or iOS device in their pocket. A lot of those devices are enrolled into Microsoft MDM in order to access email/teams/etc. These phones are part of the stats. Dev work in general is done on Windows boxes, unless you are in specific teams that have other requirements. Default is Windo…

200,000+ windows devices issued by the company. 200,000+ phones. Worst case somewhere around 50,000-150,000 tablets. That leaves ~200,000 unaccounted for devices with only macOS on the table. I think the saturation is higher than you have experienced, although I'll give that it's entirely possible that the areas you worked in were not one of them.

Have you worked in those areas with high saturation ?

Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by SamuelAdams »

klooney wrote: post #80

> Potential Conflict of Interest: The government relies, in part, on third-party firms to vet cloud technology, but those firms are hired and paid by the company being assessed. Hah. First time looking at FedRAMP? The real reason for this, of course, is accounting, it moves it off of the government's books.

It feels a lot like the FAA and NTSB moving safety checks of the Max 8 to Boeing engineers. Like of course they’re going to OK it…

Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by ddtaylor »

ContDestroyer wrote: post #184
ddtaylor wrote: post #12

The government does most things poorly and with little regard to budget or quality. They can't solve problems that are much simpler than cloud computing, so why should I expect them to perform better at a more complex problem?

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Private schools produce significantly better results that public schools.

Public transport has been disrupted by private transportation options like Uber, Lime, etc.

Public radio and TV is unused by the vast majority of people who use private options daily like streaming services or YouTube.

The public budget is perpetually in shambles and if it was a private company would have had to go bankrupt and cease business by now.

Social security and other support programs are perpetually failing and used as a political wedge.

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