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OpenAI Has New Focus (on the IPO)

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Post by aurareturn »

dannersy wrote: post #192
aurareturn wrote: post #12

One thing odd, maybe just to me, is why OpenAI has been stuffing its ranks with former Facebookers who are known to juice growth, find edges, and keep people addicted. They have little background in getting enterprises to buy into a product. Simo herself ran the Facebook app. That organization’s genius is consumer engagement: behavioral hooks, dopamine loops, the relentless optimization of the feed. You can see that…

> People say OpenAI is burning money and is on the verge of collapse. The same people will say OpenAI building an ads business on ChatGPT is "enshittifcation". These people are quite insufferable, no offense to the many who are exactly as I described. I guess ignore the evidence of what I can see? If it provided the value everyone says it does, then charging the amount of what you would generate for ad revenue doesn'…

  If it provided the value everyone says it does, then charging the amount of what you would generate for ad revenue doesn't seem like a huge ask.
Vast majority of Youtube viewers do not pay for Premium. No one pays for Google search premium. No one pays for Instagram or Facebook or Whatsapp.

There are certain class of services that work best with ads driven business model. ChatGPT is one of them.

If Google and all other search engines locked search behind a subscription, it'd do a great disservice to the world since it means the poor can't use it.

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Post by Agingcoder »

porridgeraisin wrote: post #78
dgellow wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you both name and shame?

Name pretty much any company. Every one of my friends have said their company is doing this. Across 3 countries mind you. Especially if they already use microsoft office suite. Those folks got sold copilot on a deal it seems.

I work for a mega corp, and our global overlord( who is ex dev) has tried Claude code at home, and figured out that generating large amounts of code comes with its own challenges - they explicitly don’t want this to happen so there’s no such metric.

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Post by debugnik »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #122
debugnik wrote: post #116

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> If there's something most people miss just state it. But the LLM suggesting a question doesn't mean it has a good answer to converge to. If you actually ask, the model probabilities will be pressured to come up with something, anything, to follow up on the offer, which will be nonsense if there actually weren't anything else to add. I've seen this pattern fail a lot on roleplay (e.g. AI Dungeon) so I really dislike…

You should be careful with ideas like "sufficiently smart LLM" - quotes and all. There's no intelligence here, just next token prediction. And the idea of an LLM being self-aware is ludicrous. Ask one what the difference between hallucinations and lying is and get a list similar to this why the LLM isn't lying: - No intent, beliefs, or awareness - No concept of “know” truth vs. falsehood - A byproduct of how it predi…

It was just a reference to the mythical "sufficiently smart compiler". The point is that, in practice, it doesn't exist.

https://wiki.c2.com/?SufficientlySmartCompiler

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Post by Razengan »

tyleo wrote: post #59

ChatGPT seems to have become a LinkedIn lunatic. I just asked Opus and ChatGPT to explain bitonic sort: Opus: Let me build an interactive explainer for bitonic sort (builds diagram/no nonsense) GPT: "This algorithm feels weird but once you see it it clicks" (Emoji) The Core Idea ...; (Emoji) High-Level Flow ...; (Emoji) Superpower ...; (Emoji) Why You Should Care; "If you want, I can: ... (things it wants me to do ne…

Opposite for me: Claude has been schizophrenic and just wasting my time with red herrings while Codex has been saving time.

I use both just for code/logic review, for 2D Godot games, never for generating or editing code.

After asking Claude Opus 4.6 to review a single file in a simple platformer game, it goes:

> Claude: Coyote jump fires in the wrong direction (falling UP with inverted gravity)

    var fallVelocity: float = body.velocity.y \* body.up_direction.y
Me: Ok, suggest a fix

> Claude: I owe you a correction: after re-analyzing the math more carefully, the lines are actually correct — my original review point was wrong. Let me walk through why.

It's had several other gaffes like this where it reports a finding then immediately backtracks when asked to explain, and the UI/UX is still crap (fonts don't get applied, it doesn't catch up with the updated working state after editing files etc.)

I have lots of other examples and could post screenshots of asking the same thing from Codex vs Claude, and Claude is consistently wonkier, or it just tries too hard.

Either way it seems we're entering a new frontier of fanboyism to rival the Mac vs PC wars :)

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Post by throwa356262 »

Mashimo wrote: post #206
throwa356262 wrote: post #200

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I have a system instruction for chatgpt to never use emojiis. It ignores it half of the time. I can see why you would want to have something like this in a live weapon system :) ;) (>

Have you tried the settings for emoji use? https://chatgpt.com/#settings/Personalization

I have :(

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Post by dannersy »

aurareturn wrote: post #211
dannersy wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People say OpenAI is burning money and is on the verge of collapse. The same people will say OpenAI building an ads business on ChatGPT is "enshittifcation". These people are quite insufferable, no offense to the many who are exactly as I described. I guess ignore the evidence of what I can see? If it provided the value everyone says it does, then charging the amount of what you would generate for ad revenue doesn'…

If it provided the value everyone says it does, then charging the amount of what you would generate for ad revenue doesn't seem like a huge ask. Vast majority of Youtube viewers do not pay for Premium. No one pays for Google search premium. No one pays for Instagram or Facebook or Whatsapp. There are certain class of services that work best with ads driven business model. ChatGPT is one of them. If Google and all oth…

Except that this product isn't comparable whatsoever to Youtube. Contrary to your point, there are whole businesses popping up because people are paying for search engines due to users feeling that Google's results are insufficient for serious search. I'm not sure this is a proper comparison.

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Post by spacecadet »

spacecadet wrote: post #163
spacecadet wrote: post #17

As I said, from AGI to IPO and everyone will forget and move on.

Oh now this gets up votes? Few weeks ago nothing but down votes. I guess I'll see you babies at the raid on the OpenAI data center?

There we go, gluten for punishment, you spiteful nerds.

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Post by phist_mcgee »

jrjeksjd8d wrote: post #110
MeetingsBrowser wrote: post #65

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At least I’m not alone. My company has a vibe coded leaderboard tracking AI usage. Our token usage and number of lines changed will affect our performance review this year.

I have started using the most token-intensive model I can find and asking for complicated tasks (rewrite this large codebase, review the resulting code, etc.) The agent will churn in a loop for a good 15-20 minutes and make the leaderboard number go up. The result is verbose and useless but it satisfies the metrics from leadership.

How much do you think that's costing?
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