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Post by pocksuppet »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #42

In this case, yes, this is probably a violation of the law as it is written. But I doubt law enforcement even notices or cares. You’re not actually doing anything to the kids. Maybe hypothetically you’re not setting/respecting an age flag in a web browser, but that’s the worst thing going on. So it’s a nice statement but ultimately hollow because the devs aren’t at any real risk of being arrested or fined. This isn’t…

It's a consumer product safety law anyway. It won't be the police knocking down anyone's law, it will be whoever comes after you if you release a product containing 1% more arsenic than the legal limit.

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Post by s__s »

nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

It’s not a solved problem at all. Your take is very libertarian, which I personally sympathize with, but if we’re being honest it doesn’t align with reality.

The truth is, there are a lot of bad parents that are, for various reasons, unable to perform these parental duties.

We’ve always restricted children from accessing certain things without relying solely on their parent’s abilities or discretion.

I’m strongly in favour in giving parents as much control as possible. That doesn’t negate the fact that the vast majority of children, for example, currently have completely unrestricted access to hardcore pornography.

Shrugging it off, proclaiming it’s a parental responsibility, doesn’t solve the real world problem.

Previous to the internet we didn’t allow free unrestricted distribution of pornography to children. We stepped in as a society and said, no actually if you’re selling that… fine, but you need to verify the age of the customer.

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Post by buu700 »

Telemakhos wrote: post #97
nico wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And LATAM probably soon to follow, specially Argentina with Milei and now Chile with their new right wing president

I don't think this is a left- or right-wing issue: Australia was one of the first to ban kids from social media, and Australia is not right-wing by any measure. Canada is hardly right-wing, but age verification is bill S-210 in their parliament. What you're seeing is a coordinated push by transnational interests; Meta's name has come up in discussions of the funding behind this push. At the very lest, verifying age a…

Agreed, it clearly isn't a matter of left vs right. It's about liberal vs illiberal values. Unfortunately for all of us, liberty is falling out of favor.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by pocksuppet »

phyzome wrote: post #79
kykat wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's shocking how few people here seem to notice it, you would expect people using claude et al all day could feel the distinct smell of slop.

It took me a bit, but the choppy, repetitive sentence structure eventually became apparent.

Also the theme. Claude makes sites with this color scheme and layout by default.

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Post by LelouBil »

somat wrote: post #193

It is a stupid law but I feel people are overthinking this. For compliance the os has to provide an age category to an application and an interface for the user to enter this data. We already have an api to provide information to applications. it's called the filesystem. and an interface to enter the data, that's called the shell. so everything is already there. If the user lives in california and wants to be complia…

Yes people are overthinking.

Actually having a cross-distro way to specify an age group for parental control purposes would be very useful.

If the law starts to change and be about surveillance (which it isn't about _right now_) then distro maintainers will just not implement that.

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Post by raincole »

The California law is actually the best form of age verification one can imagine. It only requires the OS to let the user to 'signal' their age. In other words, it's more like a checkbox asking if you're older than 18, instead of scanning your face or driving license. It doesn't require a cloud account either. Storing the ages the user inputted in /etc/ages besides /etc/passed and providing an API to read it is compliance.

How is it so bad that we need some civil disobedience movement over it? On the contrary to, UK's Online Safety Act and China asking all online platforms to verify your phone number?

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by pocksuppet »

raincole wrote: post #205
bryan_w wrote: post #181

Some people are being played like a gosh dang fiddle. Y'all are so pavlovian that you see Zuck/Meta and instantly rage. The alternative to OS based verification isn't no verification. It's cloud-based verification The cloud verifiers have all the interest in the world to making you hate the idea that this problem could be solved at the OS level without any third party involvement

Exactly. And the funniest part is that when Steam implemented cloud-based verification for UK compliance, many people on HN suggested that the correct approach is to verify on hardware/OS level.

We're just antisheeple who'll go for the opposite of whatever our flock leader says.

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Post by bee_rider »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #121
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

> Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. This is absolutely not true. Here in the UK schools are swarming with ipads and shit like that. They're given to primary school children because they're "more engaging". Children are supposed to practice their reading and even handwriting[1] on ipads. Naturally they're on youtube instead. It's really bad. As far as…

But this is ridiculous. The problem was created by the state (which ultimately runs the schools), and now the state wants to impose additional rules on a bunch of totally unrelated adults to (probably fail to) solve their self-imposed problem.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by pocksuppet »

ectospheno wrote: post #22
terribleperson wrote: post #16

I honestly think the pushback against the California law is a mistake. We are being presented with an increasing number of services demanding identity verification, in the form of ID verification and/or video verification. California is offering an alternative to that, an alternative that only requires you provide your age, without verifying it. If the California law flops, the result isn't going to be no age verific…

I’ve fallen prey to too many people at the top of slippery slopes offering “gentle pushes”. The end result is always the same. If I’m to go down one it will be kicking and screaming not silent as a lamb.

Why was my comment flagged next to this one?
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