I ate the onion. But in my defense, people are really putting forward this argument to relicense from GPL to MIT:
Malus – Clean Room as a Service
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#212I'd have mined the copied libraries with something that makes it possible to later change terms and extract fees, as it'd be expected that nobody reads the terms for such service
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#213This is essentially 'License Laundering as a Service.' The 'Firewall' they describe is an illusion because the contamination happens at the training phase, not the inference phase. You can't claim independent creation when your 'independent developer' (the commercial LLM) already has the original implementation's patterns and edge cases baked into its weights. In order to really do this, they would need to train LLMs…
> The 'Firewall' they describe is an illusion because [...] it is an illusion because this is a satire site.
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#214Before I visited the site, I was really confused. First, the name means bad, as in evil. Second, I couldn't understand what CRaaS was supposed to be.
But I love it! The perfect response to the "clean room" AI re-implementation and re-licensing of whatever that library is called.
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#215This is essentially 'License Laundering as a Service.' The 'Firewall' they describe is an illusion because the contamination happens at the training phase, not the inference phase. You can't claim independent creation when your 'independent developer' (the commercial LLM) already has the original implementation's patterns and edge cases baked into its weights. In order to really do this, they would need to train LLMs…
> The 'Firewall' they describe is an illusion because [...] it is an illusion because this is a satire site.
"Our lawyers estimated $4M in compliance costs. MalusCorp's Total Liberation package was $50K. The board was thrilled. The open source maintainers were not, but who cares?"
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#216Bruh this feels evil hahaha
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#217This time it's satire, but I bet someone will offer exactly that for real in the next few days. The idea is unethical but far too lucrative from a business perspective.
Often OSS is used not because you want the software, but the software and the upkeep. So even with such a service, you're now just taking code in-house that you have to maintain as well.
Realistically, if it in fact did take 5 minutes to do the cleanroom reimplementation, you could just process updates from the OSS source in realtime.
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#218This is quite literally the end of open source. projects will find themselves in the position of making their test suites private to avoid being sherlocked like this
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#219Before I visited the site, I was really confused. First, the name means bad, as in evil. Second, I couldn't understand what CRaaS was supposed to be. But I love it! The perfect response to the "clean room" AI re-implementation and re-licensing of whatever that library is called.
>whatever that library is called
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#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's funny that humans working together for mutual benefit via any other mechanism than regimented corporate slavery is considered insane.
The issue is how do you interact with other industries/trades who protect their profit making potential. Ok great - all software and networks are "free." How do you pay for Doctors and Plumbers and Electricians whose earnings are legally protected by the state but whose skill bases are also freely available to be used within the margin of error of a professional or a layman? Issues like this are great to have convers…
The value from FOSS is the collaboration between all parties.
There is a mutual agreement between all collaborating parties that "hey we ALL need these core fundamental building blocks of software. why dont we all collaborate in this open space?" And everyone wins.
There is tremendous value in the Linux kernel, and these large open source programs. And this is basically an attack by corporations to attempt to privatize it all.
It's nothing new. This is simply the latest example of capitalist "growth at any cost". We sailed past any immorality hazards a LONG time ago.