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Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

postalcoder wrote: post #12

This one really bothers me. Whenever maximizing or tiling my windows (which is all the time), I see multiple layers of oddly rounded corners. I think if there's any upside to Tahoe, the grievances may push me into blogging for the first time ever, because I can't keep these to myself. I actually feel sorry for Apple's developers because there's no way you ship software this bad and inconsistent unless you've been han…

Assuming the corner radius scales with the size of the window, there is an argument to be made (I won't sign onto it) that the different corners actually give you additional useful information about which window each belongs to, helping you select the right one.

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Post by ajay-b »

Ultimatt wrote: post #64
marxisttemp wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is godawful about it? Tahoe is great. Spotlight shortcuts, LLM actions. “Design is how it works.”

Because Spotlight now rarely finds your applications in search so you can't just quick launch anything.... from a launcher widget

This. Spotlight has gotten awful under Tahoe. I was forced to upgrade at work but in my humble opinion, it's best not to update MacOS unless I really need to. Things get worse, things get better, but overall the experience is diminished.

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by ajkjk »

ajkjk wrote: post #77
postalcoder wrote: post #12

This one really bothers me. Whenever maximizing or tiling my windows (which is all the time), I see multiple layers of oddly rounded corners. I think if there's any upside to Tahoe, the grievances may push me into blogging for the first time ever, because I can't keep these to myself. I actually feel sorry for Apple's developers because there's no way you ship software this bad and inconsistent unless you've been han…

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sigh, *life of me

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by steve1977 »

robertoandred wrote: post #180
steve1977 wrote: post #163

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It's the lack of attention to detail, from a company who once was famous for its attention to detail. And it seems they're lacking in many corners (scnr...)

It’s actually the opposite. The corner radii are defined by the window type and the concentricity of its elements. People who lack attention to detail just think things are randomly different.

I think I know what you (and Apple) mean, but it doesn't make sense IMHO.

Because then, in apps without a toolbar, like Terminal, the window corner is concentric with the close button and has a smaller radius.

In apps with a toolbar, it still concentric with the close button, but has a larger radius. Because it probably also tries to be concentric with and accommodate toolbar items on the right-hand side.

But then, why not just keep the larger radius for both window types, so they are consistent? It wouldn't break concentricity and you wouldn't have non-matching corners, especially a the bottom, where there's usually few or no elements to be concentric with anyway.

That's exactly the kind of detail I'm talking about. There is a nice idea behind it, but it has not been thought through IMHO.

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Post by 1718627440 »

vbezhenar wrote: post #81
eastbound wrote: post #34

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Beautiful, it’s nice, but the polished user experience was the ultimate argument. - Raising the lid of the laptop and the base wouldn’t stick and fall off on the desk, - A single-button click, - A Cmd+C to copy and Ctrl+C for the interruption 7 in the terminal, But now you have to configure that, yes, activate the right-click; yes, activate the three-finger click (wtf, 3 fingers); yes, activate the swipe-across-deskt…

> - A Cmd+C to copy and Ctrl+C for the interruption 7 in the terminal, I really miss that in Linux. That said, some terminals implement smart Ctrl+C which will interrupt if there's no text selected and copy otherwise. But terminal I use (Gnome Console) does not, so I have to press Ctrl+Shift+C to copy text and then I press that in browser and everything exploded because it opens developer tools. So annoying.

I also used Ctrl-Shift-C for a long time, but then I learned that the CUA keys for copy and pasting are Ctrl/Shift-Ins and that is far more convenient and works consistently even in the old Windows terminal in a VM.

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Post by 1718627440 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #48
etchalon wrote: post #13

This feels like one of those "done for backwards compatibility and we tested not doing it and it was worse" things where everyone assumes incompetence over good-faith trade-offs being driven by release schedules.

It's by design. This isn't a bug or a skipped test case. https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2025/310/?time=4... > Each element is designed with a curvature that sits neatly within the corner radius of its container, in this case the window itself. And this relationship goes both ways. In the new design system, windows now have a softer, more generous corner radius, which varies based on the style of window.…

This quote still fits the story, that they tried a consistent radius first, found that it looks ugly for either with or without toolbars and then implemented the current solution.

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Post by merlindru »

selimthegrim wrote: post #191
merlindru wrote: post #69

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i hope you're wrong. they certainly have seemed to test the waters on many other fronts. the $99/yr notarization fee is now basically required as running unnotarized apps is made hard and scary enough to turn off probably 97% of average users they also briefly took away the ability to disable gatekeeper per terminal command (now back) next they wanna launch a touchscreen macbook, presumably this fall

>they also briefly took away the ability to disable gatekeeper per terminal command (now back) Does this require a Tahoe upgrade?

i think they made it possible again in late sequoia but i may be totally off on the whole thing

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

ajkjk wrote: post #77
postalcoder wrote: post #12

This one really bothers me. Whenever maximizing or tiling my windows (which is all the time), I see multiple layers of oddly rounded corners. I think if there's any upside to Tahoe, the grievances may push me into blogging for the first time ever, because I can't keep these to myself. I actually feel sorry for Apple's developers because there's no way you ship software this bad and inconsistent unless you've been han…

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Personally it's the fact they introduced such an extreme and opinionated UI design change, but then couldn't be bothered to roll it out consistently. The old window radii were fine. Sequoia looked good. The OS felt good as a whole. Then we get an update where you have a very opinionated theme forced on you in a half-assed fashion. If you could just disable it, return to classic radii, it'd be a nothing burger and Apple would roll it back if enough people disabled it.

But that's not how apple works.

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Post by merlindru »

philistine wrote: post #209
PaulHoule wrote: post #168

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... liquid glass isn't very liquid anymore. it's frosted. is an important point. Liquid Glass does not come across as "a bold design idea which is slightly flawed" but rather something which failed so bad when they tried it that they dialed the intensity back to the point where it doesn't make a statement anymore. So it looks like they hired an intern to randomly add anti-antialiasing here and there for no good reaso…

If they had simply put the clear glass on top of a heavily frosted shelf, maintaining a clear divide between content and control and making sure the clear glass was never directly on content, we would be discussing the ways to improve the design instead of everybody's dismissal of the whole thing.

they are doing exactly that now, but at some point, there's no discernible difference between a gaussian blur and a complex shader like liquid glass.

taken to an extreme, the heaviest possible blur results in just one solid color (at which point there is no visible difference between a gaussian blur and LG at all).

so the more blurry the shelf is, the less important liquid glass gets. therein lies the dilemma: you can't have interesting, complex backgrounds AND legibility. it's either one or the other.

the current design is good. or becoming good, finally. but it's also not worth the, what, 2 hour reduction in battery usage, the lags and visual glitches, the major changes many apps see themselves forced to undergo, ... because it looks almost like a gaussian blur now.

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Post by marxisttemp »

cpt_sobel wrote: post #202
marxisttemp wrote: post #170

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Why would I use Raycast when Spotlight has those features built in, and unlike Raycast can directly call Shortcuts?

Because apparently the search function works better mainly, otherwise I haven't tried the new Spotlight yet (I'm not upgrading to Tahoe)

Oh okay, so you’re not even aware of the features I’m talking about. I’m so glad I’m able to tolerate corner radiuses.
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