Live data from Hacker News

Labor market impacts of AI: A new measure and early evidence

anthropic.com

211–220 of 584 posts

Re: Labor market impacts of AI: A new measure and early evidence

#211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just do more work, get more done That's one of the reasons why I am terrified, because it can lead to burn out, and I personally don't like to babysit bunch of agents, because the output doesn't feel "mine", when its not "mine" I don't feel ownership. And I am deliberately hitting the brake from time to time not to increase expectations, because I feel like driving someone else's car while not understanding fully h…

It feels very much like leading a team of junior engineers or even interns who are very fast but have no idea about why we're doing anything. You have to understand the problems you're trying to solve and describe the solutions in a way they can be implemented. It's not going to be written exactly like you would do it, but that's ok - because you care about the results of the solution and not its precise implementati…

> It feels very much like leading a team of junior engineers or even interns who are very fast but have no idea about why we're doing anything

Yes, yes!

And this is problem for me, because of the pace, my brain muscles are not developing enough compared to when I was doing those things myself.

before, I was changing my mind while implementing the code, because I see more things while typing, and digging deeper, but now, because juniors are doing things they don't offer me a refactoring or improvements while typing the code quickly, because they obey my command instead of having "aha" moment to suggest better ways

Re: Labor market impacts of AI: A new measure and early evidence

#212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally get tech CEOs who threaten to fire their devs who do not embrace AI tools. I'm not a tech CEO but people who are anti-LLM for programming have no place on my team.

And you are paying for their tokens on top of their salary, right? Right?

Every business that's taking AI seriously is giving their team enterprise accounts to AI services. Otherwise you have no control over where your code, data, company info, etc is going.

Someone deciding to drop a spreadsheet of customer data into their personal AI account to increase their productivity would be catastrophic for business, so you need rules. And rules means paying for enterprise AI tooling.

Re: Labor market impacts of AI: A new measure and early evidence

#213

People who are saying they're not seeing productivity boost, can you please share where is it failing? Because, I am terrified by the output I am getting while working on huge legacy codebases, it works. I described one of my workflow changes here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47271168 but in general compared to old way of working I am saving half of the steps consistently, whether its researching the codebas…

I can only explain it by people not having used Agentic tools and or only having tried it 9 months ago for a day before giving up or having such strict coding style preferences they burn time adjusting generated code to their preferences and blaming the AI even though they’re non-functional changes and they didn’t bother to encode them into rules. The productivity gains are blatantly obvious at this point. Even in la…

I can see someone who is very particular about their way being the right way having issues with it. I’m very much the kind of person who believes that if I can’t write a failing test, I don’t have a very serious case. A lot of devs aren’t like that.

Re: Labor market impacts of AI: A new measure and early evidence

#214

People who are saying they're not seeing productivity boost, can you please share where is it failing? Because, I am terrified by the output I am getting while working on huge legacy codebases, it works. I described one of my workflow changes here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47271168 but in general compared to old way of working I am saving half of the steps consistently, whether its researching the codebas…

You were probably deficient in RESEARCH skills before. No offense to you, since I was also like this once. LLMs research and put the results on the plate. Yes, for people who were deficient in research skills, I can see 2-3x improvements. Note1: I have "expert" level research skills. But LLMs still help me in research, but the boost is probably 1.2x max. But Note2: By research, I mean googling, github search, forum s…

please don't change your comment constantly (or at maybe add UPDATE 1/2/3), because you had different words before, like you were saying something in this fashion:

* you probably lack good RESEARCH skills

* I can see at most 1.25x improvements - now it is 2-3x

By updating your comment you are making my reply irrelevant to your past response

Re: Labor market impacts of AI: A new measure and early evidence

#215

People who are saying they're not seeing productivity boost, can you please share where is it failing? Because, I am terrified by the output I am getting while working on huge legacy codebases, it works. I described one of my workflow changes here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47271168 but in general compared to old way of working I am saving half of the steps consistently, whether its researching the codebas…

I’m currently working across like 5 projects (was 4 last week but you know how it is). I now do more in days than others might in a week.

Yesterday a colleague didn’t quite manage to implement a loading container with a Vue directive instead of DOM hacks, it was easier for me to just throw AI at the problem and produced a working and tested solution and developer docs than to have a similarly long meeting and have them iterate for hours.

Then I got back to training a CNN to recognize crops from space (ploughing and mowing will need to be estimated alongside inference, since no markers in training data but can look at BSI changes for example), deployed a new version of an Ollama/OpenAI/Anthropic proxy that can work with AWS Bedrock and updated the docs site instructions, deployed a new app that will have a standup bot and on-demand AI code review (LiteLLM and Django) and am working on codegen to migrate some Oracle forms that have been stagnating otherwise.

It’s not funny how overworked I am and sure I still have to babysit parallel Claude Code sessions and sometimes test things manually and write out changes, but this is a completely different work compared to two or three years ago.

Maybe the problem spaces I’m dealing with are nothing novel, but I assume most devs are like that - and I’d be surprised at people’s productivity not increasing.

When people nag in meetings about needing to change something in a codebase, or not knowing how to implement something and its value add, I’ll often have something working shortly after the meeting is over (due to starting during it).

Instead of sending adding Vitest to the backlog graveyard, I had it integrated and running in one or two evenings with about 1200 tests (and fixed some bugs). Instead of talking about hypothetical Oxlint and Oxfmt performance improvements, I had both benchmarked against ESLint and Prettier within the hour.

Same for making server config changes with Ansible that I previously didn’t due to additional friction - it is mostly just gone (as long as I allow some free time planned in case things vet fucked up and I need to fix them).

Edit: oh and in my free time I built a Whisper + VLM + LLM pipeline based on OpenVINO so that I can feed it hours long stream VODs and get an EDL cut to desired length that I can then import in DaVinci Resolve and work on video editing after the first basic editing prepass is done (also PyScene detect and some audio alignment to prevent bad cuts). And then I integrated it with subscription Claude Code, not just LiteLLM and cloud providers with per-token costs for the actual cuts making part (scene description and audio transcriptions stay local since those don't need a complex LLM, but can use cloud for cuts).

Oh and I'm moving from my Contabo VPSes to running stuff inside of a Hetzner Server Auction server that now has Proxmox and VMs in that, except this time around I'm moving over to Ansible for managing it instead of manual scripts as well, and also I'm migrating over from Docker Swarm to regular Docker Compose + Tailscale networks (maybe Headscale later) and also using more upstream containers where needed instead of trying to build all of mine myself, since storage isn't a problem and consistency isn't that important. At the same time I also migrated from Drone CI to Woodpecker CI and from Nexus to Gitea Packages, since I'm already using Gitea and since Nexus is a maintenance burden.

If this becomes the new “normal” in regards to everyone’s productivity though, there will be an insane amount of burnout and devaluation of work.

Re: Labor market impacts of AI: A new measure and early evidence

#216

People who are saying they're not seeing productivity boost, can you please share where is it failing? Because, I am terrified by the output I am getting while working on huge legacy codebases, it works. I described one of my workflow changes here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47271168 but in general compared to old way of working I am saving half of the steps consistently, whether its researching the codebas…

The companies laying off people have no vision. My company is a successful not for profit and we are hiring like crazy. It’s not a software company, but we have always effectively unlimited work. Why would anyone downsize because work is getting done faster? Just do more work, get more done, get better than the competition, get better at delivering your vision. We put profits back in the community and actually make l…

I’ve been screaming this too https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47212237

It’s refreshing to see the same sentiment from so many other people independently here.

Re: Labor market impacts of AI: A new measure and early evidence

#217
post #192

People who are saying they're not seeing productivity boost, can you please share where is it failing? Because, I am terrified by the output I am getting while working on huge legacy codebases, it works. I described one of my workflow changes here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47271168 but in general compared to old way of working I am saving half of the steps consistently, whether its researching the codebas…

AI dramatically increases velocity. But is velocity productivity? Productivity relative to which scope: you, the team, the department, the company? The question is really, velocity _of what_? I got this from a HN comment. It really hit for me because the default mentality for engineers is to build. The more you build the better. That's not "wrong" but in a business setting it is very much necessary but not sufficient…

The real question is, is it increasing their velocity?

They've already admitted they just 'throw the code away and start again'.

I think we've got another victim of perceived productivity gains vs actual productivity drop.

People sitting around watching Claude churn out poor code at a slower rate than if they just wrote it themselves.

Don't get me wrong, great for getting you started or writing a little prototype.

But the code is bad, riddled with subtle bugs and if you're not rewriting it and shoving large amounts of AI code into your codebase, good luck in 6-12 months time.

Re: Labor market impacts of AI: A new measure and early evidence

#218

People who are saying they're not seeing productivity boost, can you please share where is it failing? Because, I am terrified by the output I am getting while working on huge legacy codebases, it works. I described one of my workflow changes here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47271168 but in general compared to old way of working I am saving half of the steps consistently, whether its researching the codebas…

I’m currently working across like 5 projects (was 4 last week but you know how it is). I now do more in days than others might in a week. Yesterday a colleague didn’t quite manage to implement a loading container with a Vue directive instead of DOM hacks, it was easier for me to just throw AI at the problem and produced a working and tested solution and developer docs than to have a similarly long meeting and have th…

> When people nag in meetings about needing to change something in a codebase, or not knowing how to implement something and its value add, I’ll often have something working shortly after the meeting is over (due to starting during it).

We've started building harnesses to allow people who don't understand code to create PRs to implement their little nags. We rely on an engineer to review, merge, and steward the change but it means that non-eng folks do not rely on us as a gate. (We're a startup and can't really afford "teams" to do this hand-holding and triage for us.)

As you say we're all a bit overworked and burned out. I've been context switching so much that on days when I'm very productive I've started just getting headaches. I'm achieving a lot more than before but holding the various threads in my head and context switching is just a lot.

Re: Labor market impacts of AI: A new measure and early evidence

#219

People who are saying they're not seeing productivity boost, can you please share where is it failing? Because, I am terrified by the output I am getting while working on huge legacy codebases, it works. I described one of my workflow changes here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47271168 but in general compared to old way of working I am saving half of the steps consistently, whether its researching the codebas…

I don’t think the objections are not necessarily in terms of lack of productivity although my personal experience is not that of massive productivity increases. The fact that you are producing code much faster is likely just to push the bottleneck somewhere else. Software value cycles are long and complicated. What if you run into an issue in 5 years the LLM fails to diagnose or fix due to complex system interactions? How often would that happen? Would it be feasible to just generate the whole thing anew matching functionality precisely? Are you making the right architecture choices from the perspective of what the preferred modus operandi of an llm is in 5 years? We don’t know. The more experienced folks tend to be conservative as they have experienced how badly things can age. Maybe this time it’ll be different?

Re: Labor market impacts of AI: A new measure and early evidence

#220
post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do a lot with just $20 Codex CLI subscription. Tokens are cheap compared to the $20k we're paying for a dev each month.

Even the $200 claude max monthly subscription is peanuts compared to salary cost.

Tell that to the company that I was just at that cut Intelij licenses as cost cutting measures.
Post reply on HN