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The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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What weirds me out is that it seems few US corporations care that they don't have copyright to their synthesised code, if the rumours regarding this are correct.

If you don't have the copyright, then you can't license or litigate it under the common rules of software. If someone 'steals' it you can at best go after them with some trade secret case, and I suspect this would be limited if you had already shared the code with them, e.g. because they helped you synthesise it.

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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Many people don't know this, but the Luddites were right. I studied Art History and this particular movement. One of the claims of the Luddites is that quality would go down, because their craft took half a lifetime to master (it was passed down from parent to chile.) I was able to feel wool scarves made in europe from the middle ages. (In museum storage, under the guidance of a curator) They are a fundamentally diff…

luddites were right And yet in the 200 years since human civilization has improved by every imaginable metric, in most cases by orders of magnitude. The difference between 2026 and 1826 is nearly incomprehensible. I suspect most people scarcely imagine how horrific the average life was in 1826, relatively speaking. And between then and now were the industrial revolution, multiple world wars, and generally some of the…

If progress had been limited to solving people's problems, we would be fine.

> The feelings of panic > It just means we have been hearing a lot of negative news.

This is part of the problem at hand, not just a footnote.

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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I find these criticisms to be similar to those low context brain teasers.

If a woman gets married at 25 and her kid is 25, how old is she?

This is what LLMs are dealing with. You dont tell them everything they need to know and they are left to fill in the gaps. Which may, and sometimes often means they lie.

That's what Agentic does differently, it'll go find the gaps before answering.

Agentic is AGI. You can hire many minimum wage workers who are generally intelligent who dont even go to that level.

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> Video games stand out as one market where consumers have pushed back effectively No, it's simply untrue. Players only object against AI art assets. And only when they're painfully obvious. No one cares about how the code is written. If you actually read the words used in Steam AI survey you'll know Steam has completely caved in for AI-gen code as well. It's specifically worded like this: > content such as artwork,…

You're cherry picking. The open world games aren't as compelling anymore since the novelty is wearing off. I can cherry pick, too. For example, Starfield in all its grandeur is pretty boring. And the users may not care about code directly, but they definitely do indirectly. The less optimized and more off-the-shelf solutions have seen a stark decrease in performance but allowing game development to be more approachab…

Startfield is boring because of the bad writing and they made a space exploration game where there are loading screens between the planet and space and you don’t actually explore space.

They fundamentally misunderstood what they were promising, it’s the same as making a pirate game where you never steer the ship or drop anchor.

You can prove people are not bored with the concept as new gamers still start playing fallout new Vegas or skyrim today despite them being old and janky.

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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This is such a comically bad take.

The use of loaded and pejorative language like "forgery" emphasizes that this is not a logical argument, but a moral one. The repeated comparisons to "true craft" reveals the author would prefer that code be regarded like artisanal cheese.

Beyond the pretension, it's head in the sand to imply that the technology hasn't progressed. It's just very clearly not true to anyone who is paying attention - longer tasks, better code, less errors. I'm somebody who actively despises the hype bullshit-machine that SV has turned into, but technology is an industry for pragmatists that can leverage what works. And LLMs do.

If you don't like the technology, you have every right to scream that from the mountaintops. As it stands, this just serves as no more than a rallying cry to the ignorant.

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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This should be completely crushed by Nano Banana models?

The issue isn't objective quality or realism, it's sticking to a specific style consistently. _Everyone_ (and their grandmother) can instantly tell a ChatGPT generated image, it has a very distinct style - and in my experience no amount of prompting will make it go away. Same for Grok and to a smaller degree Google's stuff. What the industry needs (and uses) is something they can feed a, say, wall texture into and th…

I think txt2img and img2img are terms to find those uses.

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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It was really eye opening seeing they’re able to eat raw eggs and (to maybe a lesser degree of safety) raw chicken because their society requires high standards of cleanliness in food production. We are literal cattle over here in the states. Though, given Amodei and Altman’s behavior (along with the rest of the billionaire class) that shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

Eggs in the UK are safe to eat raw (and I presume the EU as well [but please verify before doing so!]).

Finland too. Fundamentally it is putting food safety over profits. Eggs being salmonella free is based on regular testing and culling infected flocks. It is a process that need constant work.

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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If you consider only the product is relevant and not how it is made, then no it does not matter; or at least it doesn't matter as long as you don't personally attach any emotional qualities to products beyond their material qualities (unlike the vast majority of people). But the comment you reply to explicitly points out the process is in fact relevant as it is itself a cultural artifact. You're not replying to their…

The main point is "It's good for the heritage and good for the customers." How are the customers hurt if their pie has not been baked by a babushka in Petrozavodsk using the old original recipe, but by an anonymous migrant worker in a dark kitchen using an optimized recipe if the end result is objectively the same? The packaging doesn't have to say who it was made by. I also don't see the problem with the heritage. T…

Customers want a very specific thing, rules exist that say if you sell something called Specific Thing it must be made a very specific way or you can't call it that.

Even if you make something that tastes and looks exactly like the original, you still can't call it Specific Thing because the process wasn't followed as it's an integral part of the product. Think of it like a trademark. You can't create some brown sugary stuff and sell it as Coca-Cola - even if it tastes EXACTLY like it does.

Nothing about this is about profit or economic viability, it's not even a small part of the equation. The purpose is to preserve cultural heritage and not dilute it with shitty imitations calling themselves something they are not.

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