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Re: Waymo blocking ambulance during deadly Austin shooting

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Post by IAmBroom »

kyleee wrote: post #176
gbin wrote: post #115

I'd LoVE to look into it but the news website is pure cancer ads before the video, no sound clock on sound that triggers another ad to you clock back, it restart an ad and you scroll a little bit and a top ad pops up while the bottom one is still there with like 3 words of the article readable. I am sorry I am out.

It’s so perplexing to hear about people seeing ads - do you really not use an ad blocking solution?

Those of us at work, or on our phones, have some limitations.

Tech elitism isn't cool.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

zephen wrote: post #54
AdrianB1 wrote: post #20

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Ambulances can be seriously damaged by attempting to do it. Police cruisers can do it, but then they may be sued for damages. I know that cars blocking fire hydrants were a serious problem in the past and owners sued firemen for pulling water hoses through their cars after breaking the windows - the law was not allowing it even if the line through the car was the only option.

> owners sued firemen for pulling water hoses through their cars after breaking the windows - the law was not allowing it even if the line through the car was the only option. I'll bet anything you have no citation for this. Sovereign immunity and necessity combine to make sure that firefighters and cops can do whatever the fuck is required. The aftermath is even more brutal. You will receive multiple tickets for thi…

There is no sovereign immunity for firefighters, that is for states. Firefighters are city employees and cities don't have sovereign immunity.

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Post by macintux »

NewJazz wrote: post #177
bsder wrote: post #149

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Erm, have you ever taken a Waymo and watched the detection screen? If you can see it, it sees you. Period. I guarantee it. It can see and gives special priority to humans. I have watched it mark people at night that I couldn't see at all. Doing weird shit on the road? Certainly possible. Missing seeing a human? Definitely not happening.

Just because someone knows that logically, doesn't mean that it reassures them in the moment.

Especially given the fact that software bugs do happen. If it’s not Waymo, it could be some other half-assed full self driving software package.

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Post by dyauspitr »

josefx wrote: post #184
dyauspitr wrote: post #12

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No, we’re finding edge cases that come up once every like million miles these things are putting on the road. Which means they are pretty damn good given how many are on the road right now.

These "edge cases" were required knowledge to get a license in my home country. You make room for any emergency vehicles, you don't try to score an ultra kill when passing a school bus and you certainly don't drive on rail tracks.

They do move aside, just not in this particular case.

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Post by zephen »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #212
zephen wrote: post #54

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> owners sued firemen for pulling water hoses through their cars after breaking the windows - the law was not allowing it even if the line through the car was the only option. I'll bet anything you have no citation for this. Sovereign immunity and necessity combine to make sure that firefighters and cops can do whatever the fuck is required. The aftermath is even more brutal. You will receive multiple tickets for thi…

There is no sovereign immunity for firefighters, that is for states. Firefighters are city employees and cities don't have sovereign immunity.

Right, I should have written governmental immunity.

In any case, it's a losing lawsuit.

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Post by phyzix5761 »

plagiarist wrote: post #148
gruez wrote: post #131

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I'm sure it's a productive use of the already overburdened justice system's time to round up half the country, so they can sit in "jail" for a few minutes.

No shit. Maybe we let everyone with only a few seconds to serve just walk free without pursing a case on them at all. The people owning 90% of all stocks can serve 90% of all the sentencing and that'd be fine enough for society.

10% of Americans own about 90% of stocks. That's 34 million people you would have to put in jail (possibly for a few seconds or minutes each) who have nothing to do with the decisions being made in these companies. Go after the executives instead.

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Post by noduerme »

dangero wrote: post #204
ibejoeb wrote: post #71

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Sure, there are valid scenarios. LA certainly has some terrible and legal vehicle crossings. (The fast, windy portion of beverly ranks.) I agree that it's hard to navigate without some cooperation. It's just that almost all of the crashes I've witnessed involved someone giving a bad go-ahead.

I wasn’t clear, but yes I meant in a car. During morning commute there are whole hours where certain roads are gridlocked leaving no space to cross. Beverly is one example of this. There is no way to cross unless someone yields to let you through

I was a taxi driver in LA - I've lived the past 10 years in Portland. One major difference in driving style (at least before a lot of New Yorkers moved to LA) is that in LA, people merged late in a fluid style, and traffic shuffled. In Portland, people line up a mile before the sign for the exit lane, and aggressively don't let anyone in. Which means you have to be extra aggressive to get in if you don't want to wait in a voluntary Soviet line behind a hundred idiots with two brain cells and nowhere to be. Thankfully, Portlanders are all passive-aggressive, and much less likely to get out and attack you than Angelenos.

Personally I always let people in when they need to go. What does that cost me? A second or two? When people actively try to cut you off from merging it leads to more accidents and more road rage. Just merge peacefully and let people merge without getting your ego involved. That's more or less how LA used to be, at least before a million New Yorkers moved there who didn't know how to drive.

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Post by cwmoore »

gruez wrote: post #131
plagiarist wrote: post #125

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Sure, let's go. Prorated in terms of their percentage of ownership, of course. Put them in jail for a few seconds as well.

I'm sure it's a productive use of the already overburdened justice system's time to round up half the country, so they can sit in "jail" for a few minutes.

Overburdened? Why do I hear this so often? The correct term is "underspec'd".

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Post by fennecbutt »

SlinkyOnStairs wrote: post #198
fennecbutt wrote: post #193

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No they wouldn't. I certainly wouldn't. I'm a short gay guy, plus even if I was big I don't want an assault charge; standing in front of my car doesn't give me a legal right to assault someone. From a legal standpoint (in most places) it's a deadlock. Not every guy is big and strong and capable of or wanting to do violence.

You wouldn't, but they key is that the cyclist/pedestrian doesn't know it's you. Say it's 5% of drivers who are maniacs, one encounters many many cars, and the cost of misjudging this situation is "grievous injury". So the end result is people will give way to cars even when they don't have to. > Not every guy is big and strong and capable of or wanting to do violence. This is structurally comparable to the way women…

With the harassment of women example are you trying to say that women are more at risk of receiving violence? Because boy do I have a (not so) surprising statistic for you.
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