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Post by 2snakes »

Imnimo wrote: post #16

I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this. Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. The only plausible explanation is that there is an understanding that OpenAI will not, in practice, enforce the red lines.

I think it is like a loyalty test to an authority above the law (executive immunity) in order to do business. “If we tell you to do so, you may do something you thought was right or wrong.” It is like an induction into a faction and the way the decisions could be made. Doesn’t necessarily mean anything about “in practice in the future”, just that the cybernetic override is there tacitly. If the authority thinks they can get away with something, they will provide protection for consequences too. Some people more equal than others when it comes to justice for all, etc. There are probably alternative styles for group decision making…

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Post by layer8 »

pseudalopex wrote: post #199
layer8 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m reading between the lines of the involved parties’ various statements, but there’s also this: https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230

> I’m reading between the lines of the involved parties’ various statements You should have said this. > https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230 Thank you.

It was pretty clear from Anthropic’s and Hegseth’s statements that they didn’t disagree on the two exclusions, but on who would be the arbiter on those. And Sam’s wording all but confirms that OpenAI’s agreement defers to DoD policies and laws (which a defense contract cannot prescribe), and effectively only pays lip service to the two exclusions.

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Post by tombert »

WD-42 wrote: post #150
arugulum wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. But they did. "Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agre…

I'm sure it's a matter of interpretation. Anthropic thinks the DoW's demands will lead to mass surveillance and auto-kill bots. The DoW probably disagrees with that interpretation, and all OpenAI needs to do is agree with the DoW. My bet is that what the DoW wants is pretty clearly tied to mass surveillance and kill-bots. Altman is a snake.

Not that this will matter on any individual level, but I canceled my ChatGPT subscription after this.

I didn't have much of an opinion of Altman before but now I think he's a grifting douche.

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Post by IAmGraydon »

corford wrote: post #43

If you're unhappy with this, an immediate way to signal it is with your wallet. In my case I've just uninstalled chatgpt from my phone, cancelled my subscription and will up my spend with anthropic.

Yep I’m pulling the plug on my OIA account on Monday morning and switching to Anthropic.

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Post by cogman10 »

LarsDu88 wrote: post #200

China has evacuated its embassies in Iran. This is really about the imminent strike on Iran which is now super telegraphed. They are gonna use ChatGPT for target selection, and the likely outcome is that it will fuck things up and a bunch of civilians are going to die because of this decision. When this happens, Altman will go from being merely a drifter to having blood on his hands.

Iran, Cuba, and to classify people as "Antifa".

A lot of innocent people are about to be harmed because the cogs of fascism are lubricated with blood.

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Post by propagandist »

nick486 wrote: post #194
propagandist wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Human responsibility is not the same as human decision making. And they are crossing the picket line, which honestly I was sure they would do, though I did expect it to take a bit longer. This is too transparent even for sama.

>Human responsibility is not the same as human decision making. this is going to end up being interpreted as "well, the president signed off on the operation. see - there's a human in the loop!" - is it?

That's precisely how I read it. They're weasel words delivered by the master weasel himself.

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Post by stingraycharles »

lioeters wrote: post #191
AbstractH24 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In all seriousness, what’s the average tenure at OpenAI and how much of the company in March 2026 was even around for that?

It's comforting to know that some of the brightest minds of our generation are going to work at OpenAI, then quitting a few months later horrified, only to post a short mysterious tweet warning everyone of the dangers ahead. So much for alignment and serving humanity.

And they will continue to work for Google / Meta et al to use novel AI techniques to sell us more and better ads, only to quit a few years later to do more soul searching where everything went wrong /s

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Post by jstummbillig »

> Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement.

Under normal circumstances, that would seem really plausible. But given how far Trump continues to go just out of spite and to project power, it actually is the opposite.

I am fully prepared to believe that they got absolutely nothing else out of it (to date).

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Post by tedsanders »

Imnimo wrote: post #16

I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this. Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. The only plausible explanation is that there is an understanding that OpenAI will not, in practice, enforce the red lines.

I'm an OpenAI employee and I'll go out on a limb with a public comment. I agree AI shouldn't be used for mass surveillance or autonomous weapons. I also think Anthropic has been treated terribly and has acted admirably. My understanding is that the OpenAI deal disallows domestic mass surveillance and autonomous weapons, and that OpenAI is asking for the same terms for other AI companies (so that we can continue competing on the basis of differing services and not differing scruples). Given this understanding, I don't see why I should quit. If it turns out that the deal is being misdescribed or that it won't be enforced, I can see why I should quit, but so far I haven't seen any evidence that's the case.
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