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The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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> Dario Amodei published an essay warning about potential dangers from powerful AI — including domestic mass surveillance (which he brands “entirely illegitimate”) Why is only domestic surveillance by an AI dangerous? I guess Europeans are not worth protecting from the dangers of AI?

Shouldn't this be decided by the domestic populations in europe or elsewhere?

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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> is a guaranteed end of the company Why do you say this?

Because this means you can't use it in regulated industries, including vendors of companies in regulated industries. It means any company who buys Anthropic products can never sell services to a company who is in a regulated industry (or has customers in a regulated industry, or has customers who have customers who are in a regulated industry, etc etc).

Hi, I'm European, not only I but also my peers are likely to actively prefer a corporation that Trump hates, and still would even if it was a little behind the curve (especially in AI, where new models from someone get announced every other week, so "a little behind the curve" doesn't mean much).

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Of course! I think at some level the people at the top know that this American capitalism is not competitive. The last 5 years or so have been basically the whole country realizing that our system is not competitive. And, the last 1-2 years have been collectively, the world re-calibrating on this fact. The monopolists don't care though. The power is too intoxicating. I mean, listen to discussions here. "What's your m…

> parasite must stop sucking blood for the host to survive Biology doesn't work like that. Biological units are too selfish. It is an iterated game so evolution could affect how a parasite's children act. However defection is usually a winning strategy (because there's rarely enough coordination nor enough signals for cooperation to win). Biology has amazing metaphors, but unfortunately most writers and readers don't…

> Biological units are too selfish

Indeed they are.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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The executives at these huge corporations already know that they can stand up to the Trump administration, and that it will fold immediately. "TACO" is printed in the Wall St. Journal. They willingly don't, because they know that they can use the administration to cement their market power. The surveillance state being built is one where would-be competitors, labor, well-meaning reformists, can be crushed on a whim f…

> "TACO" is printed in the Wall St. Journal. Can you elaborate?

"Trump Always Chickens Out" is an acronym that went around after "Liberation Day", when Trump very quickly reversed his position in response to the bond market basically telling him, no, you can't do that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Always_Chickens_Out

I misattributed it to the Wall Street Journal -- it was the Financial Times, point still stands.

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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>... okay? I'm not even from the US. I don't even pick a side. You clearly have. You've made numerous comments taking the "conspiratorial" point of view you're describing while mentioning "cheese pizza eating billionaires" and the like. For whatever reason you want to be seen as a part of the Pizzagate group and as being vindicated with them. Don't get triggered because I'm responding to the persona you choose to pro…

Pizza was continuously mentioned in the Epstein emails in a way that's obviously a euphemism for something else. You don't have to be a QAnon lunatic to reference that.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/leaked-epstein-files-mention-word-...

Re: The Pentagon is making a mistake by threatening Anthropic

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Is your argument that you're not involved enough in American politics to have responsible opinions about it, even though you're involved enough to comment in the first place? I wonder who or what you're replying to here. Certainly, it has no relation to anything I've said in this thread. That doesn't mean we shouldn't appreciate others calling it out. Again, who are you replying to with this? I said "take it easy", n…

You said "I'm not american" as the lead in to your comment. What was the point of saying this other than to disclaim the responsibility I invoked? (which technically wasn't even directed at you directly) For the overall argument, you called out a comment for calling out a comment whose only contribution was to promote the term "DOW". If it had been a substantive comment that someone jumped on for merely using the ter…

This team politics, the me-vs-them, this red-vs-blue that your country, and you, and everyone upthread was precisely what I was commenting on. It's sad, it's destructive, and both sides of your little game have created the situation you are in today.

Jumping on a guy because he corrected someone, and immediately presuming it had an entire slew of politics attached, instead of it being a mere technical correction, is prime example of everything wrong with the US today. Everything.

Me vs them. One word means a political stance. The wrong thing said, accidentally, you're the enemy. It's literally sad. I stand, as a Canadian, watching my brother make horrible life choices, and I want to help, yet I just see more anger and hate and discord.

None of this serves any of you well, it all serves your enemies. Right now, your acts, and the act of the guy super-upset that someone said DOW, serves your enemies. 90% of this is fueled by state actor controlled bots and comments, and you guys eat it up as manna.

So yes, I have an entirely reasonable point. The guy literally might have had no idea. I certainly didn't. You don't even know if that dude is american or not!

DOW is all over the news.

The presumption is wrong. The anger is wrong. The hate is wrong. The attitude is wrong.

On both sides. Of both sides of your little squabble.

I don't care who started it. The entire lot of you need a parent to come into the room, and tell just that, and that you both should go to your room.

And if you don't watch it? If you don't stop stepping out of bounds. If you don't halt it.

The rest of as are going to have to.

And that would be the saddest thing of all. For all of us.

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> it simply does not require much intelligence (relatively speaking) to build something that points a gun at something and pulls a trigger? I could not disagree more. A big part of that is also knowing when NOT to pull the trigger. And it’s much harder than you’d think. If you think full self driving is a difficult task for computers, battlefield operations are an order of magnitude more complex, at least.

> A big part of that is also knowing when NOT to pull the trigger "In a press conference, Musk promised that the Optimus Warbots would actually, definitely, for real, be fully autonomous in two years, in 2031. He also extended his condolences to the 56 service members killed during the training exercise"

I've not watched all of Robocop (too much gore for me), but I have seen the boardroom introduction of the ED-209.

That's how I imagine a Musk demo of this kind of thing would play out, if his team can't successfully manage upwards.

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Elections won't be canceled. They're too important for the perception of legitimacy. Virtually every country on Earth now has elections. Russia, China, even North Korea has elections. The modern playbook isn't to abolish elections, it's a combination of blocking opposition candidates, suppressing votes, intimidating voters, and lying about the results. That's what to watch for.

“Watch for”? That has been actively happening, at an accelerating pace. (Especially if you count “lying about someone else lying about the results”.)

Suppression and intimidation certainly have a long, proud history in this country, at least. I don't think "watch for" implies they're new.

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The US President in 1944 was someone who wanted to have elections. In 2026 this is not the case anymore. How much of a difference it makes, nobody knows.

turns out lots of people "know" that the president has no say in the affairs of US states running elections

He doesn't, it's literally enshrined in the constitution. If he decides to violate that, it's him violating the constitution yet again, not proof that he has a say.

It would also probably be the last straw for a lot of people who has been limping along on the belief in free elections.

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... signal a particular vice . It's vice signalling . We generally think of war as bad and try to avoid it, most especially the people tasked with fighting said wars . Nothing has changed about the performative-ness, in fact if anything it's gotten more performative and hollow. They just signal vices rather than virtues, so a bunch of rightist-flavored-Lenin's useful idiots think it is fresh or effective or anti-"wok…

Ah, yes, the Orwellian newspeak that is the phrase "Department of Defense" is something worth protecting. What next, the Ministry of Truth? I don't really give any weight to what a leftist considers a vice or a virtue.

The "Orwellian newspeak" at least makes an effort to aim for positive values, despite falling short. That's the point.

Also, please define what you mean by "leftist". These days it seems like it gets applied to anybody who believes in Constitutionally-limited government and the rule of law. That used to just be called being an American, but social media is a hell of a drug.

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