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Anthropic drops flagship safety pledge

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Post by nickserv »

isodev wrote: post #197
nickserv wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government is why they are dropping their pledge. https://apnews.com/article/anthropic-hegseth-ai-pentagon-mil...

That's because their government is asking for things that shouldn't be asked - again, no regulation, no oversight.

The government is forcing them to change their policy, by definition that is regulation and oversight.

Let's say that the government was forcing a company to change their overall right-to-repair or return policy in order to avoid being on a blacklist, would that not be seen as oversight and regulation?

Whether the regulation is legitimate or of benefit is a different argument.

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daft_pink wrote: post #183

I think the US Gov’t is basically forcing them and while it sounds nice to be all safe… If we were involved in WW3 would an organization like anthropic really not support the western side?

If they don't support any principles then it isn't a side worth supporting. If my choice is between China 1 and China 2 then idgaf.

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Post by moralestapia »

“We felt that it wouldn't actually help anyone for us to stop training AI models,” Anthropic’s chief science officer Jared Kaplan told TIME in an exclusive interview. “We didn't really feel, with the rapid advance of AI, that it made sense for us to make unilateral commitments … if competitors are blazing ahead.”

What a gigantic, absolute, pieces of s...

Not because of what they did, which is classic startup playbook but because of the cynicism involved, particularly after all the fuzz they've been making for years about safety. The company itself was founded, allegedly, due to pursuing that as a mission as opposed to OpenAI.

"Hi all, that was a lie, we never really cared." They only missed the "dumb f***s" remark, a la Facebook.

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Post by ozmodiar »

baq wrote: post #78
jedberg wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t just following orders. This was the government using its might to force a business to do what it wants. This should concern you.

Today’s bingo: 1. Powerful, often exclusionary, populist nationalism centered on cult of a redemptive, “infallible” leader who never admits mistakes. 2. Political power derived from questioning reality, endorsing myth and rage, and promoting lies. 3. Fixation with perceived national decline, humiliation, or victimhood. 4. Oppose any initiatives or institutions that are racially, ethnically, or religiously harmonious.…

17. Top members of government, education and business (particularly tech) part of pedophile kidnapping and rape cult that has been shaping reactionary culture for decades now. I seriously don't even know how to process the world I live in anymore.

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Post by bumby »

rco8786 wrote: post #179
watwut wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oops, said the quiet part out loud that it’s all about money. “I mean, if all of our competitors are kicking puppies in the face, it doesn’t make sense for us to not do it too. Maybe we’ll also kick kittens while we’re at it”. I mean, yes, that is actually how world works. That is why we need safety, environmental and other anti-fraud regulations. Because without them, competition makes it so that every successful…

Yes, this. It's unfortunate that anthropic dropped this and it's also exactly how the system is supposed to work. Companies don't regulate themselves, the government regulates the companies. Now, you may notice that the government is also choosing not to regulate these companies...which is another matter altogether.

There is plenty of precedent that companies are expected to regulate themselves. If you are in the US and perform an engineering role without a license or without working under someone with a license, it’s because of an “industrial exemption.” The premise is that companies have enough standards and processes in place to mitigate that risk.

However, there is also plenty of evidence that this setup may no longer work. It seems like the norm has shifted, where companies no longer think it’s their duty to manage risk, only to chase $$$. When coupled with anti-government rhetoric, it effectively socializes the risk to the public but not the profits.

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Post by ozmodiar »

jedberg wrote: post #66
XorNot wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lotta just following orders going around in the US right now.

This isn’t just following orders. This was the government using its might to force a business to do what it wants. This should concern you.

It does concern me, and it should have concerned them enough to fall on their sword for their principals. They have FU money, if they're not willing to, who is?

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Post by nullocator »

nsbk wrote: post #208
latexr wrote: post #151

> “We felt that it wouldn't actually help anyone for us to stop training AI models,” How magnanimous! They are only thinking of others, you see. They are rejecting their safety pledge for you . > “We didn't really feel, with the rapid advance of AI, that it made sense for us to make unilateral commitments … if competitors are blazing ahead.” Oops, said the quiet part out loud that it’s all about money. “I mean, if al…

Since it is all about money, I just did vote with my wallet and cancelled the Max subscription

If you're a U.S. citizen, tax dollars from you and others will backstop any cancelled subscriptions, I guess good on you for not trying to pay them twice, though you get zero benefit with this approach.

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Post by addandsubtract »

gibsonsmog wrote: post #178
wongarsu wrote: post #155

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Using money as a medium to facilitate exchange of goods and services is not capitalism. Abandoning one of your core principles in the pursuit of money, or more charitably because not doing so means your competitors will make more money and overtake you in the marketplace is an outgrowth of capitalism In the Soviet Union the reasons might have been "to beat the Capitalists", "for the pride of our country" or "Stalin a…

>Though a variant of the last one may well have happened here, and the justification we read is just the one less damaging to everyone involved Hegseth was planning on getting the model via the Defense Production Act or killing Anthropic via supply chain risk classification preventing any other company working with the Pentagon from working with Anthropic. So while it wasn't Siberia, it was about as close as the US c…

And you know Claude will be on the hook for any bad "decision" the military makes. So this will end poorly for them, anyway.

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Post by ozmodiar »

hedayet wrote: post #100

Developments like this make me less interested in building a "successful" tech company. It increasingly feels like operating at that scale can require compromises I’m not comfortable making. Maybe that’s a personal limitation—but it’s one I’m choosing to keep. I’d genuinely love to hear examples of tech companies that have scaled without losing their ethical footing. I could use the inspiration.

I've been thinking of this too. I think Steam is, and I'll even throw in Mozilla, despite a few missteps. Gog seems okay, but that's much smaller. If we can expand to large tech organizations then Wikipedia has remained pretty consistent. Even Steam doesn't have a corporate structure in the traditional sense, and I couldn't think of a single publicly traded company I'd trust.
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