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Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw
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>This is exactly why API-level access matters more than consumer subscriptions for production workloads. Consumer plans are subsidized with the assumption of interactive, low-volume usage. The moment you programmatically route through them, you break the economic model they're built on.
EXACTLY.
Google also did this when DALL-E Mini and Stable Diffusion got big.
Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw
#213I don't understand how this can be enforced without ridiculous levels of false positives. I'm truly baffled. The same with Claude Code situation. gemini-cli, claude-code, codex etc, they ALL have a -p flag or equivalent, which is non-interactive IO interface for their LLM inference. If I wire my tooling (or openclaw) to use the -p flag (or equivalents), is that allowed? Okay, maybe they get rid of the -p flag and I h…
There are examples of labs banning these use cases for sure, as well as the presence of terms and conditions allowing them to ban you for merely “competing” with them. If you’re building, it could be worth locking in a contract first.
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#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
> TFA most commonly refers to Trifluoroacetic acid, a highly persistent, mobile "forever chemical" (PFAS) found globally in water and soil, widely used in organic chemistry as a solvent.
When I searched for "its in the tfa meaning" this was my third result on Duck Duck Go: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19781756 When I searched for "tfa internet meaning", The fifth result looked helpful so I clicked it, and it was: https://www.noslang.com/search/tfa Searching the internet wasn’t hard before AI, and it isn’t hard today.
I just googled "what is tfa", and none of the results on the first page were related to the current topic.
Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw
#215People seem to be continuously outraged by these AI subscriptions banning third party use. However, the usage patterns of the intended apps likely differ hugely from those of the third party ones.
For example, basically every first party agent harness aggressively caches the input tokens to optimise inference, something that third party harnesses often disgregard, or are fundamentally incompatible with as they switch agents for subtasks and the like.
To extend this use case though, how much do poeple expect to be able to use the internal API's of the apps they subscribe to?
If I buy an Uber One subscription, am I then justified reverse engineering the gazeteer API from the app and reusing it in other apps I use? What about the speech to text API MS Teams must use for transcribing meetings as part of a business standard subscription?
I think these are obvious and emphatic breaches that no reasonable person would expect to be justified in, maybe miffed if your clever hack gets banned, but being banned would be considered fair play.
I fail to see the distinction.
Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw
#216Ironically, Gemini says that it’s OK to use the Ultraplan for OpenClaw via gemini-cli because the Ultra plan has some API & Cloud credits baked into it. I think $100/mo but I can never figure out how Google billing works. I’ve pasted the response I got when I was asking it about OpenClaw. There is legal precedent for an AI hallucination being used to upload a contract (e.g, an AI customer support for an airline made…
Claude says it was safe too. Bare minimum the flagship models of these companies should understand their own ToS. Sheesh.
Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw
#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
To clarify: None of the comments in that thread talk about experiencing that. They have been locked out of the Gemini service, not their Google account with mail etc. Source: I actually read them. Yes, personally. I didn't even have an LLM summarize them. I know, I'm practically a luddite.
But when they paste support replies using terms like "suspension," "violation of the Google Terms of Service," and "zero-tolerance," it sounds like someone's close to losing access to their family photos.
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Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw
#218So what is a "good-enough" model to use for OpenClaw now that the subscriptions are blocked. Is there an all you can eat subscription model that can be used?
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It seems that this comment was written with some AI tool. Curious to know — are you an OpenClaw instance? Your profile seems to be an ad for some tool you or your owner/administrator created: > Building EvoLink ( https://evolink.ai ) - a unified AI API gateway for 40+ models. We help developers save 20-70% on AI API costs with smart routing and automatic failover. Previously worked on AI infrastructure and growth. Yo…
It is funny that my first reaction to your post was that you are crazy, but then I looked at his comment history and you are completely right. Boy this is not a good development. I don’t want to spend my time reading AI generated comments.
Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw
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It seems that this comment was written with some AI tool. Curious to know — are you an OpenClaw instance? Your profile seems to be an ad for some tool you or your owner/administrator created: > Building EvoLink ( https://evolink.ai ) - a unified AI API gateway for 40+ models. We help developers save 20-70% on AI API costs with smart routing and automatic failover. Previously worked on AI infrastructure and growth. Yo…
Although I myself am not sure whether this is a real person or a bot, the point seems to be at least somewhat valid to me. I think that some people have become too accustomed to the idea that they can get good things for free or at a reduced price, without thinking about how the economy of production/service they rely on works.