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Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by pseudohadamard »

Smalltalker-80 wrote: post #50

Yep, there's a lot of (continuing) economical damage and still a lot of new immigrants every week. I think some time still needs to pass before Brexit politicians dare to change their stance, now confronted with the results of their choice. In the mean time, Brexit rules are quietly being undone without losing face too much. See the EU-UK trade deals from May 2025.

I don't think they can. The UK got a lot, and I mean a lot, of special privileges when they joined the EU, even more so than the French. When they come back again with their tail between their legs, they won't get the same treatment a second time. This will make rejoining much, much harder than just clicking "Undo".

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Post by mjmas »

hermanzegerman wrote: post #66
mjmas wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking up about Erasmus+ it didn't start until a year after Brexit finally took place, so it can't be really called a loss.

Erasmus+ exists since 2014, maybe you should improve your research skills

The previous one didn't include + according to Wikipedia

> Erasmus+ is the European Commission's programme for promoting education, training, youth, and sport for the 2021–2027 period, succeeding the previous Erasmus Programme (2014–2020).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus%2B

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Post by HPsquared »

oliwarner wrote: post #196
HPsquared wrote: post #150

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I mean living standards. The size and quality of housing, quality of food, public spaces, infrastructure, healthcare, social conditions and so on that is available and affordable to the average working professional.

It depends if you fight for city jobs, doesn't it. We live semi-rural, 700sqm house, office and workshop on an acre. Fibre makes working from home easy. Kids' school is 500m up the road. Village is friendly. Healthcare is acceptable, paid through taxation. We don't worry about surprise bills. And 10 minutes away from a 1h train to London. I could absolutely earn more working in London but I'd be living in a shoebox o…

The shires are certainly pleasant if you can swing it. But that sounds pretty exceptional to me.

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Post by rswail »

raincole wrote: post #136
rswail wrote: post #100

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Except that is not happening with the current generations. The move from fiscal liberty to conservatism happened with previous generations because they accumulated assets like housing etc that they want to protect. The current millenial/GenZ generations are dealing with multiple economic crises during their career development, as well as property and other asset bubbles keeping them from accumulating the same assets…

> they accumulated assets like housing Which they'll eventually pass to their millennial offsprings when they die.

Which leads to more wealth inequality and loss of equity.

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Post by munksbeer »

munksbeer wrote: post #186
citrin_ru wrote: post #22

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Generation of boomers accumulated lots of wealth, mostly thanks to house prices skyrocketing during their lifetime. Not all but many old people can afford private healthcare. Younger people need NHS more.

The irony is that in our experience, if you're old or a child, you're far more likely to be treated quickly on the NHS. Perhaps that isn't the whole story, maybe old people tend to have more life threatening conditions, so triage puts them first. But from my perspective, private health insurance is now mandatory in the UK if you're not old or a child, and I am even going to put my children on private health insurance…

By the way, for the down voters, I hope you never have a severe health issue and spend a year waiting for treatment.

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Post by illiac786 »

tetris11 wrote: post #128
jjgreen wrote: post #11

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The Brexit-induced impoverishment of UK will inevitably lead to a reduction in the scope of the NHS and so kill off its supporters. So Brexit is kind-of self healing.

I went to George's hospital the other day and saw a punchy flyer talking about the lack of NHS services, with the kicker "Privatise now!" That's what we're dealing with. Underinvestment only enriches their camp.

Thank you for this. The poor always vote against themselves I have the impression. Far right plan to hand over the country to megacorps et remove all social nets in Germany. Guess who votes for them more than other social categories? The one that would be most impacted by this. It’s insane.

At the same time, it’s a testament to the weakness of other parties that they can’t even articulate that sufficiently well.

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Post by illiac786 »

jfaat wrote: post #71
irl_zebra wrote: post #56

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Covid in the USA was a bit like this.

With what's happening in the US post covid, I'm gonna have to disagree

Honest question: are there serious studies about the link of Covid with the current dying (for lack of a better word) of democracy in the US? I would be very interested. I suspect there is a link – but I’m really not an expert on the subject matter.

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Post by mmarq »

munksbeer wrote: post #186
citrin_ru wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generation of boomers accumulated lots of wealth, mostly thanks to house prices skyrocketing during their lifetime. Not all but many old people can afford private healthcare. Younger people need NHS more.

The irony is that in our experience, if you're old or a child, you're far more likely to be treated quickly on the NHS. Perhaps that isn't the whole story, maybe old people tend to have more life threatening conditions, so triage puts them first. But from my perspective, private health insurance is now mandatory in the UK if you're not old or a child, and I am even going to put my children on private health insurance…

The problem with this is that private health insurance is very cheap because there is an NHS that takes care of emergencies and does more than 50% of the rest. So your taxes keep your health insurance premia low.

Otherwise a comprehensive health insurance wouldn’t cost 200£ a month per person (I just requested a quote from AXA, as a 45 year old with no health problems, adding all packages, unlimited specialist visits and no excess)

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

cedws wrote: post #17

I was too young to vote in the referendum. I’m incredibly angry about having lost freedom of movement. If the UK by some miracle rejoins the EU I will make the jump to Europe the very same day. Still looking for a way out in the meantime. The UK just keeps kicking young people down. The boomers voting against our interests are whipping us into working to pay for their triple locked pensions.

Move to Ireland, work for five years and get citizenship. Congratulations, you're now an EU citizen.

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Post by frm88 »

znzjzjsj wrote: post #182
thisisit wrote: post #122

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Most of the politics comes down to tribalism. And within this tribalism nothing works better than Us vs Them. Immigration is one of the best "us vs them" debates. It rallies lot of support. But then often immigration isn't the problem. It is a solution preying on the fear of people that "outsiders" are harming their opportunities, housing, way of life etc. The real problem is that people are not making living wages a…

> But then often immigration isn't the problem There has never been a successful multiracial democracy in history. There are many books on this - one was even on Obamas summer reading list awhile back. > The real problem is that people are not making living wages and wages are not catching up to cost of living Importing labor devalues native labor. This is outside of the cultural change, etc. These are real problems.…

Importing labor devalues native labor. This is outside of the cultural change, etc. These are real problems.

Some other real problems, please solve without immigration:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/bumper-british-strawb...

https://britbrief.co.uk/business/economy/uk-population-decli...

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