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Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by throwawayq3423 »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #118
throwawayq3423 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who was imprisoned for their speech against the US president by Obama and how did Snowden stop that? Because that is exactly what we're talking about here. And if you don't have a like-for-like comparison, then we have nothing to discuss.

If you think for a moment of arguing that throwing people in jail is the only way to impede someone's liberty, you are in for a world of a surprise.

It's the standard we're discussing. It's what Donald Trump's DHS is doing right now and the Snowden comparisons are irrelevant and imo a bad faith attempt at trying to muddy the waters.

Stop both sides-ing everything the Trump administration does to give them more oxygen to operate.

These are uniquely awful times.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

myvoiceismypass wrote: post #204
giancarlostoro wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are putting words in my mouth and taking away from my point. I equally blame the previous administration for leaving a privacy invasive apparatus, as stated by others here this goes back to the Patriot Act.

You should review actual history if you are trying to pin the Patriot Act on Obama.

> I equally blame the previous administration for leaving a privacy invasive apparatus, as stated by others here this goes back to the Patriot Act.

I was talking about Bush administration. I don't know a lot about that time period since I was just a teenager during that administration and didn't care about politics back then, but I vividly remember Obama because I've always been passionate about not having the government spying on citizens, and a free and open web. Everything wrong with social media we set ourselves up for.

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

riazrizvi wrote: post #125
mpyne wrote: post #95

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> It's fine for citizens to voice positions, beliefs etc. It's not fine for organizations of hostile origins to astro-sturf and manipulate people into positions they wouldn't normally take. As the Supreme Court has already apted noted, organizations enjoy free speech rights in the U.S. as well, including the right to advocate for positions you or others wouldn't normally take.

Yes, and I said 'of hostile origin' - the law still prohibits foreign nationals and foreign organizations spending in US elections. I want to know if they are at work here, and the reason why our media does not represent the people (who overwhelmingly voted for Trump).

> the law still prohibits foreign nationals and foreign organizations spending in US elections

Cute. Which enforceable laws prevent foreign nationals from buying trump/melania crypto (for favors, pardons, etc)? That's what you mean, right?

https://www.npr.org/2025/10/24/nx-s1-5583983/trump-pardons-j...

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Post by asveikau »

esafak wrote: post #184
Terr_ wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite all its other warts, the FISA court is (A) an actual judicial-branch court (B) created by legislation and (C) the justices cannot be removed on direct Presidential whim. In contrast, "administrative warrants" are more like an executive-branch manager writing a memo, where an unscrupulous President could get them removed in a day for not writing the "right" memos.

You think fisa is the good one? They're widely recognized as rubber-stamp courts.

Fisa doesn't have to be good for these phony sheet of paper warrants to be worse.

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Post by lawn »

lokar wrote: post #9
KnuthIsGod wrote: post #6

How long before they come for Hacker News ? Folks, it is now time to delete anything you posted here that might be construed as remotely critical of ICE or Trump. A court order will not help you if ICE have already shot you dead.

Or, adjust your priorities and resist more. Authoritarians win when people let them.

I think it's prudent to both resist and to protect yourself.

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Post by sejje »

myvoiceismypass wrote: post #204
giancarlostoro wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are putting words in my mouth and taking away from my point. I equally blame the previous administration for leaving a privacy invasive apparatus, as stated by others here this goes back to the Patriot Act.

You should review actual history if you are trying to pin the Patriot Act on Obama.

He had 8 years to dismantle it, but didn't--I think that was the point.

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Post by sejje »

goatlover wrote: post #162
assimpleaspossi wrote: post #53

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Nah. People who sit on social media would rather stand on street corners and yell at people.

If someone is motivated enough to attend protests, they're motivated enough to go vote.

Many of the people who go to protests have lost their right to vote.

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Post by Herring »

galangalalgol wrote: post #206
Herring wrote: post #142

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Well how much have the countries aged? In that case you should expect it to go up, maybe it's still a lot less than it should be. I'm a statistician. That (first) graph is a case study in how to lie with statistics. They should teach it in class. I'm out, I recommend you spend some time reading about this issue. Inequality and welfare cuts leading to the rise in the far right is fairly well established. One (misleadi…

Taking in immigrants is a short term solution. Within one generation their fertility rate drops to match the local one. Which means you have to keep bringing in new ones. That means there is never time to integrate, leading to cultural clashes and second class labor. And unless you are pulling from Africa or a couple middle eastern countries, the source of immigration is also declining in population at this point so…

> That means there is never time to integrate, leading to cultural clashes and second class labor.

That's a far-right talking point. It's not true. The US has been wholesale importing immigrants for a long time and benefiting greatly from it.

The problem is the safety nets broke down, eg minimum wage hasn't kept up with anything. Or housing/college/healthcare pricing has gone up much faster than income. When people feel insecure they have a tendency to go racist and blame outsiders. If we fixed those, nobody would care about 1 or 2 Somalis in their high school.

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Post by hypeatei »

sejje wrote: post #216
myvoiceismypass wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should review actual history if you are trying to pin the Patriot Act on Obama.

He had 8 years to dismantle it, but didn't--I think that was the point.

Trump, the supposed outsider in 2016, also had ample opportunity to do so and does again this term. Why has he not done it?

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Post by sejje »

hypeatei wrote: post #219
sejje wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He had 8 years to dismantle it, but didn't--I think that was the point.

Trump, the supposed outsider in 2016, also had ample opportunity to do so and does again this term. Why has he not done it?

Probably the same reason Obama didn't?
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