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Post by netsharc »

dionian wrote: post #137
netsharc wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tragedy of the attention-economy. Ad networks gives you money if you placed their ads on your site, so people got machines to generate fluff to earn some money. Now all search result is just bullshit pages to capture your attention until the banner ad.. A simple query like "Ford Focus wheel nut torque" gives pages with blah blah like: > Overview Of Lug Nut Torque For Ford Focus > The Ford Focus uses specific lug nut…

i think there is a huge market for Quality detection in the future. imagine a browser plugin that could filter AI slop like an ad blocker does ads. im sure it exists already. But im sure it needs to get more advanced

The plugin will probably need some LLM-technology...

So maybe in 2 or 3 years, the attention-economy "content providers" will use LLM to generate slop content for ad revenue, and the smart viewing public will use LLM to strip the slop and get the meat of the content...

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Post by awesome_dude »

tkzed49 wrote: post #95
ssiddharth wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest sorrow right now is the fact that my beloved emdash is a major signal for AI generated content. I've been using it for decades now but these days, I almost always pause for a second.

I've gone back to using two dashes--LLMs typically don't write them that way.

I'm going to propose that we name this the --gnu-long-form :)

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Post by stock_toaster »

afavour wrote: post #17
numbers wrote: post #5

I remember this was back in 2023, when ChatGPT had first launched, and I had a manager whose English was not very good. He started sending emails that felt like they were written by a copywriter. And the messaging was so hard to parse through because there's so much ChatGPT fluff around it. Very quickly we realized that what he was saying was usually in the middle somewhere, but we'd have to read through the intro an…

I have long believed that LLMs will herald a new corporate data transfer format, unlike most new formats that boast efficiency gains and compression, this new format will be incredibly wasteful and bloat transmission sizes. I'll want to communicate something to my team. I'll write 4 bullet points, plug it into an LLM, which will produce a flowing, multi paragraph e-mail. I'll distribute it to my co-workers. They will…

> I'll want to communicate something to my team. I'll write 4 bullet points, plug it into an LLM, which will produce a flowing, multi paragraph e-mail. I'll distribute it to my co-workers. They will each open the e-mail, see the size, and immediately plug it into an LLM asking it to make a 4 bullet summary of what I've sent. Somewhere off in the distance a lake will dry up.

All while both sides were charged per token for processing. This is _the dream_ of these AI firms.

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Post by truelson »

My wife is my favorite editor. She's usually not available. LLM editor is fine.

Write it first, quick self edit, then have an LLM edit. Then I edit again. It's most definitely my voice, and I love it.

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Post by hidden80 »

losvedir wrote: post #6

I really like Oxide's take on AI for prose: https://rfd.shared.oxide.computer/rfd/0576 and how it breaks the "social contract" where usually it takes more effort to write than to read, and so you have a sense that it's worth it to read. So I get the frustration that "ai;dr" captures. On the other hand, I've also seen human writing incorrectly labeled AI. I wrote (using AI!) https://seeitwritten.com as a bit of an exp…

I respect Oxide a lot. And here, too, with their non adoption of the marketing term (AI) for LLMs, ML.

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Post by gnat »

ssiddharth wrote: post #50
losvedir wrote: post #6

I really like Oxide's take on AI for prose: https://rfd.shared.oxide.computer/rfd/0576 and how it breaks the "social contract" where usually it takes more effort to write than to read, and so you have a sense that it's worth it to read. So I get the frustration that "ai;dr" captures. On the other hand, I've also seen human writing incorrectly labeled AI. I wrote (using AI!) https://seeitwritten.com as a bit of an exp…

My biggest sorrow right now is the fact that my beloved emdash is a major signal for AI generated content. I've been using it for decades now but these days, I almost always pause for a second.

We're in the brief window of time when AI's writing style is the weirdness. It's an artifact of the production process, like JPG blur, MP3 distortion, autotune's rigidity. And it didn't take long for those things to become normalized, in fact for them to become artifacts that people proudly adopted and embraced. DJs release tracks built from MP3s samples instead of waves. Autotune is famously a 'sound' that was once something to be subtly added and never confessed to, but which now genres and artists lean into rather than away from.

Long story short: I think emoji in headings and lists, em dashes, and the vile TED Talk paragraph structure of "long sentence with lots of words asking a question or introducing a possibility. followed by. short sentences. rebutting. or affirming." are here to stay. My money is that it gets normalized and embraced as "well of course that's how you best communicate because I see it everywhere."

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Post by calvinmorrison »

gnat wrote: post #216
ssiddharth wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest sorrow right now is the fact that my beloved emdash is a major signal for AI generated content. I've been using it for decades now but these days, I almost always pause for a second.

We're in the brief window of time when AI's writing style is the weirdness. It's an artifact of the production process, like JPG blur, MP3 distortion, autotune's rigidity. And it didn't take long for those things to become normalized, in fact for them to become artifacts that people proudly adopted and embraced. DJs release tracks built from MP3s samples instead of waves. Autotune is famously a 'sound' that was once…

Short sentences were popularized in writing only in the last hundred and fifty years. Styles change.

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Post by ChadNauseam »

wellpast wrote: post #201

$100 says AI got at least some notes effecting the copy of this post

I find AI extremely useful for that. "What did I brush over?" "What did I assume the reader might know when they might not" "can you fact-check every claim for me and provide references." It is incredibly high ROI and I think it makes the final piece better.

What I dislike about reading AI writing is that it's dumb but sounds smart. If it were smart I wouldn't mind reading it. Here's an example. It's always full of metaphors that make no sense, like a closet so full of junk that it topples out as soon as you open the door. (see what I mean? the metaphor has a superficial resemblance to the topic at hand but doesn't clarify the subject at all and therefore muddles the waters as you try to understand what I might have been intending to communicate with it.)

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Post by dgxyz »

stock_toaster wrote: post #210
dgxyz wrote: post #152

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My perspective as an eng lead is it’s all shit. Words, code, the lot. It’s literally an enabler for the worst characteristics of humanity: laziness and disinterested incompetence. People are happy to shovel shit if they can get away with it.

Same here. In addition, I feel like there has been an overall drop in software quality along with the rise of AI driven code development. Perhaps there are other driving factors (socioeconomic, psychological, etc) and perhaps I am misattributing it to AI. Then again, could also just be all the slop.

I would agree. The stuff that hasn’t been updated in the last 3-4 years seems to be pretty solid still. Almost nothing else is.

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Post by itisuseless »

ssiddharth wrote: post #50
losvedir wrote: post #6

I really like Oxide's take on AI for prose: https://rfd.shared.oxide.computer/rfd/0576 and how it breaks the "social contract" where usually it takes more effort to write than to read, and so you have a sense that it's worth it to read. So I get the frustration that "ai;dr" captures. On the other hand, I've also seen human writing incorrectly labeled AI. I wrote (using AI!) https://seeitwritten.com as a bit of an exp…

My biggest sorrow right now is the fact that my beloved emdash is a major signal for AI generated content. I've been using it for decades now but these days, I almost always pause for a second.

The correct thing to do is to use an en-dash with spaces. ;)
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