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A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

brandon.wang

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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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post #108

Fine article but a very important fact comes in at the end — the author has a human personal assistant. It doesn't fundamentally change anything they wrote, but it shows how far out of the ordinary this person is. They were a Thiel Fellow in 2020 and graduated from Phillips Exeter, roughly the most elite high school in the US.

You do understand that is who you’re competing with now right?

My daughter is a excellent student in high school

She and I spoke last night and she is increasingly pissed off that people who are in her classes, who don’t do the work, and don’t understand the material get all A’s because they’re using some form of GPT to do their assignments, and teachers cannot keep up

I do not see a world in the future where you can “come from behind” because all of the people with resources are increasingly not going to need experts who need money to survive to be able to do whatever they want to do

While that was technically true for the last few hundred years it was at least required to deal with other humans and you had to have some kind of at least veneer of communal engagement to do anything

That requirement is now gone and within the next decade I anticipate there will be a single person being able to build a extremely profitable software company with only two or three human employees

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Giving access to "my bank account", which I take to mean one's primary account, feels like high risk for relatively low upside. It's easy to open a new bank (or pseudo-bank) account, so you can isolate the spend and set a budget or daily allowance (by sending it funds daily). Some newer payment platforms will let you setup multiple cards and set a separate policy on each one. An additional benefit of isolating the ac…

So if I write a honey pot that includes my bank account and routing number and requests a modest some of $500 be wired to me in exchange for scraping my linkedin, github, website, etc. profile is it a crime if the agent does it?

Yes, it is wire fraud, a class C felony in the US. You put that there with the intent of extracting $500 from somebody else that they didn't agree to. The mechanism makes no difference.

It probably also violates local laws (including simple theft in my jurisdiction).

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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post #26

Tangent: what is the appeal of the “no capitalization” writing style? I never know what message the author is intending to convey when I see all lower case. Normally I can ignore it, but the font on this blog makes it hard to distinguish where sentences start and end (the period is very small and faint).

i dislike pressing shift, especially on non-ergo (non-thumb) keyboards where it uses my pinky.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Exciting to see Apple making agentic coding first-class. The "Xcode Intelligence" feature that pulls from docs and developer forums is powerful. One thing I'm curious about: as the agent ingests more external content (documentation, code samples, forum answers), the attack surface for prompt injection expands. Malicious content in a Stack Overflow answer or dependency README could potentially influence generated code…

> Does Apple's implementation have any sanitization layer between retrieved content and what gets fed to the model?

It's been discussed a lot but fundamentally there isn't a way to solve this yet (and it may not be solvable period). I'm sure they've asked their model(s) to not do anything stupid through the system prompt. Remember, prepending and appending text to the user's request to an LLM is the all you can do. With an LLM it's only text string in then text string out. That's it.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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post #179

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That liability gap is exactly the problem I’m trying to solve. Humans have contracts and insurance. Agents have nothing. I’m working on a system that adds economic stake, slashing, and "auditability" to agent decisions so risk is bounded before delegation, not argued about after. https://clawsens.us

> Credits (ꞓ) are the fuel for Clawsensus. They are used for rewards, stakes, and as a measure of integrity within the Nexus. ... Credits are internal accounting units. No withdrawals in MVP. chef's kiss

Thanks. I like to tinker, so I’m prototyping a hosted $USDC board, but Clawsensus is fundamentally local-first: faucet tokens, in-network credits, and JSON configs on the OpenClaw gateway.

In the plugin docs is a config UI builder. Plugin is OSS, boards aren’t.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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post #108

Fine article but a very important fact comes in at the end — the author has a human personal assistant. It doesn't fundamentally change anything they wrote, but it shows how far out of the ordinary this person is. They were a Thiel Fellow in 2020 and graduated from Phillips Exeter, roughly the most elite high school in the US.

You do understand that is who you’re competing with now right? My daughter is a excellent student in high school She and I spoke last night and she is increasingly pissed off that people who are in her classes, who don’t do the work, and don’t understand the material get all A’s because they’re using some form of GPT to do their assignments, and teachers cannot keep up I do not see a world in the future where you can…

>You do understand that is who you’re competing with now right?

No. I'm competing with no one.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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can't imagine getting this riled up over lowercase text. some serious fist-shaking-at-clouds energy. it's meant to convey a casual, laid back tone - it's not that big of a deal.

It's just very poser behavior.

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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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It's hard to find sentence breaks, it is actually about readability and accessibility

Ironically, this sentence is called a comma splice or run-on sentence. A period or semicolon would be correct. I agree with the sentiment too, or maybe I am getting old :P

I don't think it's about getting old, it's about expecting clear and parsable communication

Some people are being lazy, they will get less attention, ideally

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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A whole bunch of this stuff that people are fawning over as life changing and it leaves me honestly wondering: how have some of you survived this long at all?

When I see these types of posts I wonder what those people do all day long that is so important, to the point they can't dedicate 30 minutes to plan and execute some chores.

to be fair, i distinctly remember reading a newspaper article asking what was wrong with taking the time to use the card catalog at the library. There were trying to understand the popularity of google.com

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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post #187

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If you're happy "speaking to a real person" when you could automate that interaction away somehow then no, digital personal assistants probably aren't something you're going to care about. I love talking to real people about stuff that matters to them and to me. I don't want to talk to them about booking a flight or hotel room.

If hotels, or google, or travel websites wanted people to book programmatically they would have an api.Remember when Google search had an api? In the end the human is responsible for the purchase. I think when the dust settles, AI will offer a "do you want to purchase?" and then the human will press the button. Or ChatGPT or somebody controlling the last step will have that button, and services will accept it (like I…

This only lasts until dark patterns can be inserted that disrupt the ease of use that agents are currently providing. If I can't force the end user to watch unskippable ads or trick them into spending money on a service they don't need, what are we even doing?
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