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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by KaiserPro »

stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

Gather evidence.

I assume that they have opened a formal investigation and are now going to the office to collect/perloin evidence before it's destroyed.

Most FAANG companies have training specifically for this. I assume X doesn't anymore, because they are cool and edgy, and staff training is for the woke.

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Post by direwolf20 »

bsimpson wrote: post #156
stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

I had the same thought - not just about raids, but about raiding a satellite office. This sounds like theater begging for headlines like this one.

They do what they can. They obviously can't raid the American office.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by direwolf20 »

drcongo wrote: post #94
chrisjj wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> CSAM does not have a universal definition. Strange that there was no disagreement before "AI", right? Yet now we have a clutch of new "definitions" all of which dilute and weaken the meaning. > In Sweden for instance, CSAM is any image of an underage subject (real or realistic digital) designed to evoke a sexual response. No corroboration found on web. Quite the contrary, in fact: "Sweden does not have a legislativ…

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

That's the problem with CSAM arguments, though. If you disagree with the current law and think it should be loosened, you're a disgusting pedophile. But if you think it should be tightened, you're a saint looking out for the children's wellbeing. And so laws only go one way...

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Post by nemo44x »

Uhhrrr wrote: post #168
10xDev wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is obviously diversion but anyway: Bunch of "American and European" "patriots" that he retweets 24/7 turned out to be people from Iran, Pakistan, India and Russia. These accounts generate likes by default by accounts with "wife of vet" in bio and generic old_blonde_women.jpeg aka bots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj38m11218xo

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They can’t fathom that their opinions are unpopular and probably wrong.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by direwolf20 »

techblueberry wrote: post #27

I'm not saying I'm entirely against this, but just out of curiosity, what do they hope to find in a raid of the french offices, a folder labeled "Grok's CSAM Plan"?

Maybe emails between the French office and the head office warning they may violate laws, and the response by head office?

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Post by Teever »

ramuel wrote: post #195
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The authorities will request the keys for local servers and will get them. As for remote ones (outside of France jurisdiction) it depends where they are and how much X wants to make their life difficult.

Musk and X don't seem to be the type to care about any laws or any compelling legal requests, especially from a foreign government. I doubt the French will get anything other than this headline.

The game changed when Trump threatened the use of military force to seize Greenland.

At this point a nuclear power like France has no issue with using covert violence to produce compliance from Musk and he must know it.

These people have proven themselves to be existential threats to French security and France will do whatever they feel is necessary to neutralize that threat.

Musk is free to ignore French rule of law if he wants to risk being involved in an airplane accident that will have rumours and conspiracies swirling around it long after he’s dead and his body is strewn all over the ocean somewhere.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

kouteiheika wrote: post #159
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> everything that Grok is accused of is something which you can also trigger in currently available open-weight models (if you know what you're doing) Well, yes. You can make child pornography with any video-editing software. How is this exoneration?

I'm not talking about video editing software; that's a different class of software. I'm talking about other generative AI models, which you can download today onto your computer, and have it do the same thing as Grok does. > How is this exoneration? I don't know; you tell me where I said it was? I'm just stating a fact that Grok isn't unique here, and if you want to ban Grok because of it then you need to also ban op…

> that's a different class of software. I'm talking about other generative AI models

And the article is talking about a social media site. A different class of software and company.

> if you want to ban Grok

Straw man. Nobody has suggested this.

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Post by direwolf20 »

chrisjj wrote: post #100
rsynnott wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Item one in that list is CSAM.

You are mistaken. Item #1 is "images of children of a pornographic nature". Wheras "CSAM isn’t pornography—it’s evidence of criminal exploitation of kids." https://rainn.org/get-informed/get-the-facts-about-sexual-vi...

Well, RAINN are stupid then.

CSAM is the woke word for child pornography, which is the normal.word for pornography involving children. Pornography is defined as material aiming to sexually stimulate, and CSAM is that.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

sunshine-o wrote: post #116
SilverElfin wrote: post #93

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Simply because if you were to ban this type of platform you wouldn't need Musk to "move it towards the far right" because you would already be the very definition of a totalitarian regime. But whatever zombie government France is running can't "ban" X anyway because it would get them one step closer to the guillotine. Like in the UK or Germany it is a tinderbox cruising on a 10-20% approval rating. If "French prosecu…

> if you were to ban this type of platform you wouldn't need Musk to "move it towards the far right" because you would already be the very definition of a totalitarian regime

Paradox of tolerance. (The American right being Exhibit A for why trying to let sunlight disinfect a corpse doesn’t work.)

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