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Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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I understand the approach Satya took initially. He had a big investment in AI. He saw a theoretical value in AI supporting productivity. And he pushed his developers and creators to imagine and mock up ideas how AI would deliver. Obviously the last part was disappointing. In hindsight, the push was far too aggressive, and too mediocre. We have a lot to learn from this try, about ourselves and about others. Integratio…

There’s no way to set up Windows to respect your privacy at this point.

Windows 10 was the turning point on this. They charge you for the software, and charge you again by stealing your data.

They even used to have a whitepaper explaining how any MS employee can remotely pull any file from any windows machine with managerial approval.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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1. Find out what Co-pilot's reputation is among power users.

2. Realize that Co-pilot is bad and needs to improve up to Microsoft's highest gold standards of trustworthiness.

3. Ditch Co-pilot branding inside the OS.

4. Make AI features private and offline by default unless the local hardware cannot run the specialized tiny model for that task, at which point it goes online for it. It might be slower, but if it does the thing, it's ok.

5. Allow companies and power users to provide their own local models that hook into these tasks, so they can host AI servers within the company and these AI tasks never reach outside of the company.

6. Make AI features more specific, targeted and useful instead of simply integrating it into the various functions and throwing it at users like "here, you figure out what to do with this thing, we don't know."

7. Don't expect people to want to chat with it in every app, just find a task that you know it succeeds at and expose that task rather than letting users figure out what it sucks at.

8. Don't make the AI integration APIs a case of increased surface area privacy and security risk that 3rd party system apps can hook into, to mass extract information out of every app on your system easily. Put limitations on it.

9. Add features to specify where AI can go and cannot go, just like the microphone. Folders, apps, online services. Even if it does use Co-pilot online, let users sculpt it.

10. Make it explicit and obvious when AI features are operating offline or online. If users have decades of understanding that Notepad is a private offline app, preserve that expectation as much as possible. Just because Outlook and OneNote are very online-oriented apps, it doesn't mean they want their local experience to be online in every way. If you force AI to go over all my cloud files, notes and e-mail without my permission, that is sociopathic behavior and I will ditch you, Microsoft.

Some day Co-pilot will probably be good. That isn't today. It's probably not this year or next year, but eventually. Until then, it needs to stay in a lane with freshly painted lines surrounded with sand barrels in case it wrecks.

It's not that I'm entirely opposed to some Microsoft AI feature existing in Windows, but manufacturing a user assumption that it is everywhere all the time is bad not just for Windows, but for society as a whole.

We've already seen how political and activist the public sphere became over the last decade, which reduces trust in the people who make software and services too. What do we do when Microsoft gets ideologically taken over and abuses its information access to people for political ends?

Show you can be trusted. When I put a little food bowl down for you, don't scratch me and we'll go from there.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Maybe it's a bad idea to build critical UI bits with React? I mean, I'm a big fan of React for a lot of things... but I don't think critical pieces of UI/UX interactions should be built with it at all.

The taskbar, start menu, file explorer, desktop and system settings are areas that should be boring, consistent and just work. That hasn't been close to the case since Windows 7.. Windows 8 was the start of the decline and that was over 13 years ago. While I like some of the things that have come to Windows since then, there's probably twice as much to dislike. Hire/promote/raise someone to act as a UX czar for Windows all around... design a "final" UI/UX target that covers existing features (starting with a checklist of everything that currently can be configured everywhere)... and finish that design.

Stop shifting gears and enshitifying the overall experience to wring every cent of "value" out of every user out there. Get a full release cycle or two with no new features... just solid bug fixes and a more consistent UI/UX. I know there's kernel features for new GPUs, improved storage and CPU interactions and scheduling... but the UI/UX on top of the kernel is a mess and it shows too well.

Get your staff aligned on a common UX theme... I don't care if it's back to Fluent or something closer to where Win11 is, but at least get it consistent above all else. It's a mess. Fire half the managers... stop giving out bonuses based on new features in windows, and give bonuses on sections of config/settings that are marked as complete without falling back to legacy UI from the late 90's. Not that the 90's setup was that bad compared to the hybrid bastard we have today.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

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Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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> The PMs are completely asleep at the wheel or, everyone has career aspirations for which they need to demonstrate impact, relevance and in shipping products. Since the current hype is AI, making and being part of the AI hype means career advancement (at the time).

If they want AI hype they should be building up .NET to be completely versatile for AI, not just ONNX, but the full pipeline. Make your strengths a key indicator that Windows is the place for AI, stop using up 50% of my RAM for no reason, I need it for real work. Till then Linux has been my new permanent home for about 5 years now or so.

Have you lost sight of how much AI is being shoved down .NET tooling?

See AI components for Blazor, Aspire AI dashboards, Aspire CLI with AI, Powershell AI, aspire.dev web site proudly written with AI, .NET Upgrade tool is now AI driven,....?

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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> Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. How so? The forced feeding of AI is what Satya called for.

He's at the top of the governance

Yes, I hear your point. I guess I take failure of governance to mean that rules and procedures were not followed or never properly put in place--not that the head boss is promoting bad strategy and tactics.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine it went like this: CEO: Put AI everywhere/ Engineering Staff: There's a lot of places where it doesn't make sense to do this. CEO: Do it or find somewhere else to work. The problem of pushback at the lower levels is that it is completely ineffective when the top levels are set on something.

Something I've noticed is that companies don't really promote intelligent people up the chain of command. Socialism failed because it was a less effective economic system than capitalism, and lots of its issues are neatly replicated within capitalist companies: - having friends is more important than making output, which means that people above certain level just play politics instead of actually managing the company…

See recent discussion on why senior devs left projects crash.

It is easier to let it all crash and burn, and try to leave with less scars as possible than try to fight the system.

You get to lose more for the visibility to fight back than letting it go down in flames.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

>Taste comes from knowing what not to build. Jobs was correct when he said that Microsoft has no taste.

Tahoe...
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