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Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?

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Very true, I support this, but the law is still needed imho unless we're fine normalizing the continuation of corporations tightening the screws on workers to keep their labor costs within their desired tolerances. It's about control, of course, as it always is. Protect the human from bad actors, broadly speaking. I would be chuffed if I see someone present on breaking this at Defcon this year.

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I truly believe our industry needs to elevate our own anti-awards, like others have (Razzies, Worst Game of the Year, etc.) to shame those responsible for building the regressive tech that corporations and governments push. There's already the Big Brother Awards [0] and EFF's smattering of Worst Government and Worst Data Breach articles each year. [1] But I think we need more. Personally I would love to nominate: - M…

> for their contributions to DRM

You're assuming Hollywood studios would ever release their content without DRM of some kind. They were quite content to ignore computers entirely if they didn't bend.

The world where Widevine doesn't exist isn't a DRM free one; but a world where an iPad or Smart TV can stream and a PC can't. I would support giving them an award though for "most repeated invention that keeps failing."

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We are way past shame being an effective tool to regulate behavior.

I'm sorry but there is no shame in our industry, where are people protesting at conferences calling out devs working on instruments of oppression? Why isn't anyone harassing the devs that take it as a badge of honor to work at companies that profit from human misery? I don't see it anywhere.

I do it all the time. It gets censored, hidden, downmodded on almost every site.

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Very true, I support this, but the law is still needed imho unless we're fine normalizing the continuation of corporations tightening the screws on workers to keep their labor costs within their desired tolerances. It's about control, of course, as it always is. Protect the human from bad actors, broadly speaking. I would be chuffed if I see someone present on breaking this at Defcon this year.

There are some questions, too. Can I track my boss if he can track me? Can I install a key-logger on the CFO's laptop? Why not? They just want to see where I am, and I just want to see what key they hit...

You could potentially purchase profiles on them from a data broker, and make them public if not illegal in your jurisdiction.

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Does it works both ways? Does it also tracks where the boss is? To be fair to the employee, he should be able to see where the boss is at any time.

Completely agree. My employer makes all employee badging data available. Any employee can view whether any other employee has badged into the office and when. This includes viewing whether your boss has come in. However badging data is much more coarse-grained than WiFi. For one, because the building is large, you can’t tell which part of the office the employee is. For two, you can’t tell when the employee has left…

Yeah, I remember seeing board with the list in the 90s in some company I can't remember. It included every employee including the owner along with the status like IN,OUT - WHERE - PHONE, OUT

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I truly believe our industry needs to elevate our own anti-awards, like others have (Razzies, Worst Game of the Year, etc.) to shame those responsible for building the regressive tech that corporations and governments push. There's already the Big Brother Awards [0] and EFF's smattering of Worst Government and Worst Data Breach articles each year. [1] But I think we need more. Personally I would love to nominate: - M…

Devil's advocate here about the original post, about physical location: This would definitely have prevented the North Korean workers incident a few years back.

I also find it hard to get offended about because there is basically no job, outside of tech, which doesn't involve physical location. >95% of jobs require physical location. Do you think a concrete worker, a plumber, an electrician, or literally anyone who works with their hands, has a right to location privacy? What does that even mean? "I'm totally clocking in to work today and totally installing a light fixture for a client right now and I won't tell you which one"? "I'm totally making a cappuccino for an old lady right now at one of our 30,000 branches, but trust me, you don't need to know which one"? Whining about this is extremely hard for me to generate sympathies for.

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FTA > Remember when you could text Dave from the office to turn your PC on because you were stuck in traffic? I honestly don't. This was a thing? Why? > So if you decide to take a "working lunch" and connect to "Starbucks_Guest_WiFi", your boss sees it instantly. I would have a lot of fun with "creative" names for my Wi-fi network.

Seriously, this is not a thing. It doesn't even begin to make sense. It's made up. If you work in a factory with time cards that need to be punched in, and you punch in a buddy's who is late, that's a thing -- a very risky thing if you get caught, since it's fraud. But the idea that you'll give a coworker your password so they can boot up and log in and somehow make it look like you're online...? Not a thing. And doe…

Even in the pre-remote, desktops-only era it wouldn't have made any sense. Your boss, your co-workers, and everyone else was at the office. They could see you weren't at your desk. There was no need for tracking software and hence, no need to ask your buddy to log you in because you were late.

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In my opinion, if I want to install any work-related software on my personal devices, it means I’m so excited about the job that I honestly don’t care whether a manager sees where and what I’m doing - just as a manager usually doesn’t care either. I mean, there’s no reason at all to install anything on personal devices unless you actually care about the business.

What is your opinion about installing M$ Authenticator or any other mfa software?

It's a good question. At work, we were given an option: install non-intrusive authenticators on your personal phone (you are free to disable their notifications fully, and you get some extra money as reimbursement) or you are given a company phone (that you have to carry to work and back, have to charge and update etc). Most non-oncall people decided to pick option 1. Oncall people picked option 2.

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> SSID, signal strength, BSSID, private IP, public IP, ipv6, all trivially available to a binary running on a machine. So it sounds like if you want to circumvent this: get a travel router that spoofs a work access point, and make sure any kind of identification requests that would reveal a public IP are either blocked or are going through your work VPN.

running it in a browser would be enough, no ?

If it's only just the teams app that's doing it, but I'm not sure if that's a safe assumption. There's a crap ton of Microsoft stuff installed on my laptop by default, and the IT admins install stuff all the time.
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