Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

openai.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

211–220 of 433 posts

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

#211

Post by jasonfarnon »

jacquesm wrote: post #207
jasonfarnon wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't remember any of these being "driven" by porn. The first applications weren't porn-based. Maybe live video--a split second after seeing the tech for the first time, probably 99% of guys were thinking of _applying_ it to porn. But, even for the usual money-grubbing startups, there was plenty of money coming from non-porn sources. Probably no different than the invention of camera, tv, videocamera, etc. and you…

> I don't remember any of these being "driven" by porn. That's ok. > The first applications weren't porn-based. They most definitely were, it is just that you are not aware of it. There runs a direct line from the 1-900 phone industry to the internet adult industry, those guys had money like water and they spent a fortune on these developments. Not all of them worked out but quite a few of them did and as a result th…

" There runs a direct line from the 1-900 phone industry to the internet adult industry"

the internet adult industry is not the same as the internet. And if you;re trying to say the internet was developed for the sake of the internet adult industry, you're sounding circular.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

#212

Post by johnsmith1840 »

sundarurfriend wrote: post #72

ChatGPT 5.2 has been a good motivator for me to try out other LLMs because of how bad it is. Both 5.1 and 5.2 have been downgrades in terms of instruction following and accuracy, but 5.2 especially so. The upside is that that's had me using Claude much more, and I like a lot of things about it, both in terms of UI and the answers. It's also gotten me more serious about running local models. So, thank you OpenAI, for…

I left my chatgpt pro subscription when they removed the true deep thinkibg methods.

Mostly because how massively varied their releases are. Each one required big changes to how I use and work with it.

Claude is perfect in this sense all their models feel roughly the same just smarter so my workflow is always the same.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

#213

Post by jacquesm »

jasonfarnon wrote: post #211
jacquesm wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't remember any of these being "driven" by porn. That's ok. > The first applications weren't porn-based. They most definitely were, it is just that you are not aware of it. There runs a direct line from the 1-900 phone industry to the internet adult industry, those guys had money like water and they spent a fortune on these developments. Not all of them worked out but quite a few of them did and as a result th…

" There runs a direct line from the 1-900 phone industry to the internet adult industry" the internet adult industry is not the same as the internet. And if you;re trying to say the internet was developed for the sake of the internet adult industry, you're sounding circular.

I never made that claim and I'm fairly familiar with the development of the early internet, I was hanging around a lot at CWI/NikHef in the 80's and early 90's.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

#214

Post by pxc »

chasd00 wrote: post #150
pxc wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The range of attitudes in there is interesting. There are a lot of people who take a fairly sensible "this is interactive fiction" kind of attitude, and there are others who bristle at any claim or reminder that these relationships are fictitious. There are even people with human partners who have "married" one or more AIs.

do you think they know they're just one context reset away from the llm not recognizing them at all and being treated like a stranger off the street? For someone mentally ill and somehow emotionally attached to the context it would be... jarring to say the least.

Generally yes, they experience that routinely and complain and joke about it. Some of them do also describe such jarring experiences as making them cry for a long time.

If you can be respectful and act like a guest, it's worth reading a little there. You'll see the worrisome aspects in more detail but also a level of savvy that sometimes seems quite strange given the level of attachment. It's definitely interesting.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

#217

Post by 5o1ecist »

jacquesm wrote: post #201
azan_ wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because things can be used for porn, it doesn't mean that it was porn that has driven their progress.

All of the things above were driven by porn, that can be proven. The AI stuff in the generic sense is not but you can bet that someone somewhere right now is working on improving photo realism of hair, eyes and skintone and they're not doing that to be able to make the next installment of little red riding hood.

[flagged]

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

#218

Post by 5o1ecist »

azan_ wrote: post #203
jacquesm wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of the things above were driven by porn, that can be proven. The AI stuff in the generic sense is not but you can bet that someone somewhere right now is working on improving photo realism of hair, eyes and skintone and they're not doing that to be able to make the next installment of little red riding hood.

Can you actually prove it?

[flagged]

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

#219

Post by shawn_w »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #208
leumon wrote: post #73

> We’re continuing to make progress toward a version of ChatGPT designed for adults over 18, grounded in the principle of treating adults like adults, and expanding user choice and freedom within appropriate safeguards. To support this, we’ve rolled out age prediction for users under 18 in most markets. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/12652064-age-prediction-... interesting

imagine if every only fans creator suddenly paid a portion of their revenue to OpenAI for better messaging with their followers…

Instead of paying it to the human third party firms that currently handle communication with subscribers?

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

#220

Post by Sabinus »

hnuser123456 wrote: post #105
toss1 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds both true and interesting. Any particularly wild and/or illuminating examples of which you can share more detail?

The "my boyfriend is AI" subreddit. A lot of people are lonely and talking to these things like a significant other. They value roleplay instruction following that creates "immersion." They tell it to be dark and mysterious and call itself a pet name. GPT-4o was apparently their favorite because it was very "steerable." Then it broke the news that people were doing this, some of them falling off the deep end with it,…

If you ask the users of that sub why their boyfriend is AI they will tell you their partner or men in general aren't providing them with enough emotional support/stimulation.

I do wonder if they would accept the mirror explanation for men enjoying porn.

Post reply on HN