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Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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bob1029 wrote: post #37
biohazard2 wrote: post #28

The developer just "cleaned up the code comments", i.e. they removed all TODOs from the code: https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd... Professionalism at its finest!

I also use this as a simple heuristic: https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commits/main/ There exist only two commits. I've never seen a "real" project that looks like this.

I usually work in branches in a private repo, squash and merge features / fixes in the private repo, and only merge the clean, verified, extensively tested merges back to public.

You don't need to see every single commit and the exact chronology of my work, snapshots is enough :)

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by imcritic »

thunderfork wrote: post #200
imcritic wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brag? Edgy? You are delusional.

I call it like I see it ;) Glad you don't think the part about you jerking off is delusional, at least!

Jerking off is normal. Talking about others jerking off - isn't.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by soulofmischief »

subscribed wrote: post #210
soulofmischief wrote: post #144

“This architecture shifts the paradigm for self-hosting. It turns "running a server" from a chore into a utility. You get the sovereignty of owning your data without the burden of owning the infrastructure” Yeah, this is just shameful. Obviously written by an LLM with zero oversight. If this engineer doesn't get fired I'll lose all trust in Cloudflare.

He shouldn't get fired. For all we know he might actually be a decent employee who had a, ekhm, temporary lapse of reason. He didn't destroy anything (except damaging CF brand). The best CF can do is to post a post-mortem and improve procedures so that can't happen anymore.

It's fine if they don't fire him but the damage to the Cloudflare brand is enough to make me look for alternatives where I can.

I love LLMs as much as the next guy, but it says something about Cloudflare if they allow engineers this reckless in their organization.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by ampersandy »

pibaker wrote: post #201
ampersandy wrote: post #151

My charitable read on this is that an individual vibe-coded both the post and repository and was able to publish to the Cloudflare blog without it actually being reviewed or vetted. They also are not an engineer and when the agent hallucinated “I have built and tested this and it is production grade,” they took it at face value. You can tell since the code is in a public repository and not Cloudflare’s, which IMO is…

I don't know why it being potentially vibe coded or vibe written exonerates the author. "Your job is to deliver code you have proven to work [1]." It is your duty to ensure your work works, no matter what tools you used. You don't get to pass the blame on an AI agent any more than you get to blame intellij autocomplete for your buggy code. Furthermore, I don't see why we are extending the principle of charity to clou…

My take has nothing to do with charity to Cloudflare, but to the author. I can't help remembering that quote from the 50's where an IBM exec said they weren't going to fire an employee who made a costly mistake for the company, they just spent $$$ training them.

I think it's fair to assume, given the historical quality of the CF blog, that this was a (big) mistake by an individual, and not "Cloudflare", as an entity, making this claim.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by thunderfork »

imcritic wrote: post #213
thunderfork wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I call it like I see it ;) Glad you don't think the part about you jerking off is delusional, at least!

Jerking off is normal. Talking about others jerking off - isn't.

Jerking off in public isn't, bud

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by MatthiasPortzel »

ampersandy wrote: post #215
pibaker wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why it being potentially vibe coded or vibe written exonerates the author. "Your job is to deliver code you have proven to work [1]." It is your duty to ensure your work works, no matter what tools you used. You don't get to pass the blame on an AI agent any more than you get to blame intellij autocomplete for your buggy code. Furthermore, I don't see why we are extending the principle of charity to clou…

My take has nothing to do with charity to Cloudflare, but to the author. I can't help remembering that quote from the 50's where an IBM exec said they weren't going to fire an employee who made a costly mistake for the company, they just spent $$$ training them. I think it's fair to assume, given the historical quality of the CF blog, that this was a (big) mistake by an individual, and not "Cloudflare", as an entity,…

I think that’s the right attitude for technical mistakes. But this is the engineering equivalent of fraud. Especially given that the author then went in and removed the TODO commits.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by f4ye »

erichocean wrote: post #199
Arathorn wrote: post #190

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what? that's like saying "you should implement TLS instead of HTTP"! They do entirely different things: MLS is a key agreement protocol, equivalent to the Double Ratchet that Matrix uses for E2EE today. Matrix can use both.

Terrible analogy. MLS is an IETF standard. The server is easy to write, and easy to make scalable (no complicated merge algorithm required, unlike Matrix). Finally, individual chatrooms scale to an order of magnitude larger size vs. Matrix. MLS is superior in every way to Matrix as it exists today if you need to implement encrypted chat rooms for your app. Source: Guy who has implemented both, including extending Mat…

can i hear more about this twitter scale extension to matrix?

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by knollimar »

blibble wrote: post #29
rideontime wrote: post #2

Days after the fake story about Cursor building a web browser from scratch with GPT-5.2 was debunked. Disbelief should be the default reaction to stories like this.

it seems as if literally everyone associated with "AI" is a grifter, shill (sorry, "Independent Researcher"), temporarily embarrassed billionaire, or just a flat out scammer I have yet to see a counter-example

I feel like there's a few people who just give too much benefit of the doubt because they're excited about the thing and hesitant to criticize.
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