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Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by colpabar »

thunky wrote: post #166
dudefeliciano wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

> the voices of the government supporters are not heard here This is sad to me because I really want to hear the other perspective, and there is no place that exists (that I know of) for people who disagree with each other to have a real conversation. Nothing left but echo chambers. But I think HN falls into this trap because the down vote button is used when people disagree with the other person, which imo is a misa…

This will sound crazy but this is why I still use 4chan. Everyone is anonymous, there is no voting, and the only moderation is to remove illegal things or flagrant rule breaking. It's 99% dogshit (and worse), but if you go into it knowing that, you can find some good stuff sometimes. Not good as in morally good, just sometimes someone will post a link to a video or an article that will actually make me think.

Here, and on reddit, and anywhere with voting or people caring about the number next to their username, it's the most popular opinions at the top and everything else at the bottom or flagged. I genuinely don't understand what people get out of that.

And I guess I should specify that this is also why political topics get flagged. Sure, it probably has a lot to do with people flagging stuff that goes against their beliefs. But I also think that political threads here offer absolutely nothing aside from reaffirming existing beliefs. No one is trying to change anyone's minds, everyone is just yelling at each other. Threads about actual tech stuff can be very interesting and I do learn things from them sometimes. But political threads here are worthless.

edit: I do not mean /pol/, no one should ever go there

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by insane_dreamer »

xtracto wrote: post #164
dudefeliciano wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

My problem with these type of posts in HN is that the discussion doesn't offer ANYTHING constructive. I comment a lot about these matters on Reddit, and I'm very much against all that's happening in the USA. But the reality is that the discourse i see here in these types of political posts is the same as on Reddit and the like. (Whether For or against ) It would be great if somehow the discussion added something diff…

I don't go to Reddit or other forums that discuss politics. HN is the only forum I visit, and it's important to be aware, and talk about, these issues that involve large tech companies but also have to do with politics, because of the widespread implications. The comments are sometimes informative of what similar things may be happening elsewhere, or technical-oriented perspectives on the matter, which aren't going to come up in a NYT or similar article.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by tastyface »

ap99 wrote: post #74
scotty79 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Support for ICE is in minority (although a large one). I don't think algorithm would suppress negative opinions on it, especially among viewership of celebrities that don't appeal to the right side of political spectrum.

You should qualify your statement with "amongst the few people I talk to and the narrow spectrum of media I consume." Also, do you mean minority of the total US population or minority of the voting population? For one reference point I fully support ICE. And I think it's wild you have local and state politicians encouraging actions against federal agents who are enforcing federal law.

Enforcing federal law by shooting a fleeing woman in the head and a restrained nurse in the back? Boy, what fair and just law.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by insane_dreamer »

thunky wrote: post #166
dudefeliciano wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

> the voices of the government supporters are not heard here This is sad to me because I really want to hear the other perspective, and there is no place that exists (that I know of) for people who disagree with each other to have a real conversation. Nothing left but echo chambers. But I think HN falls into this trap because the down vote button is used when people disagree with the other person, which imo is a misa…

I think the downvote on comments is; it's the flagging that's the problem because it essentially hides the post from the HN community (which is why I now always go to /active instead of the home page).

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by thunky »

thunky wrote: post #166
dudefeliciano wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

> the voices of the government supporters are not heard here This is sad to me because I really want to hear the other perspective, and there is no place that exists (that I know of) for people who disagree with each other to have a real conversation. Nothing left but echo chambers. But I think HN falls into this trap because the down vote button is used when people disagree with the other person, which imo is a misa…

...replying to my self to point out that ironically my post is being downvoted.

I guess wanting to hear the other side's perspective is not looked upon favorably here, just like everywhere else.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by [deleted] »

Schmerika wrote: post #205
jamincan wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was talking to my uncle last September who is a chaplain in the US Army, and I was shocked by the disparity between what he understood was going on in the US and what I understood. That's not to say that I'm not influenced in certain ways either, but it really cemented my understanding that people in the US (and here in Canada and I'm sure other countries too) are operating within two entirely different realities.…

> people in the US (and here in Canada and I'm sure other countries too) are operating within two entirely different realities They're not entirely different though. The similarities are critical to understand; the parts where both parties differ wildly from reality in the exact same way. For example: 98.15% of 2024 voters didn't hold openly arming genocide as a red line for their vote. I don't believe you can blame…

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Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by LexiMax »

colpabar wrote: post #211
thunky wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the voices of the government supporters are not heard here This is sad to me because I really want to hear the other perspective, and there is no place that exists (that I know of) for people who disagree with each other to have a real conversation. Nothing left but echo chambers. But I think HN falls into this trap because the down vote button is used when people disagree with the other person, which imo is a misa…

This will sound crazy but this is why I still use 4chan. Everyone is anonymous, there is no voting, and the only moderation is to remove illegal things or flagrant rule breaking. It's 99% dogshit (and worse), but if you go into it knowing that, you can find some good stuff sometimes. Not good as in morally good, just sometimes someone will post a link to a video or an article that will actually make me think. Here, a…

> This will sound crazy but this is why I still use 4chan. Everyone is anonymous, there is no voting, and the only moderation is to remove illegal things or flagrant rule breaking.

What you see is a mirage.

The problem with 4chan is that the loudest voices are the ones that have no lives, and can flood the board with their bullshit. You could be having a conversation with someone in one thread, meanwhile they're busy posting about the same damn thing in 3-4 other threads at the same time.

And that's assuming the person on the other end is real. These days, there are bot armies of paid shills or AI to worry about, flooding the zone with their narrative to the point where your voice gets drowned out.

You cannot have a decent social space without some form of active moderation and some protection against sockpuppeting. Not every place with both of those gets it right, but without both you're guaranteed to fail, and 4chan has neither.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by dogleash »

dudefeliciano wrote: post #143
iceflinger wrote: post #139

Not sure why this is flagged? One of the largest social media platforms in the industry changed ownership, its user base is noticing an unexplained change in functionality? Surely that warrants a discussion among tech people?

these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

> voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defend their position

Why are you're assuming flagging indicates support of the government?

Maybe they're flagging because it's a topic that will generate much more heat than light. It doesn't have to be deeper than that.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by 0x3f »

filoeleven wrote: post #151
0x3f wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, Venn Diagrams don't show _degree_ of overlap :) Although re your actual point: the current admin only gifts things like this to a chosen few; a small subset of those with extreme capital. So it seems much more appropriate to call it cronyism, or some such thing, rather than capitalism in the sense of merely controlling capital.

Crony capitalism is a well-established term for a reason.

Right, to distinguish it from regular capitalism. Specifically to denote it as not-really-capitalism. _Crony_ is really the operative term.

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by direwolf20 »

dudefeliciano wrote: post #143
iceflinger wrote: post #139

Not sure why this is flagged? One of the largest social media platforms in the industry changed ownership, its user base is noticing an unexplained change in functionality? Surely that warrants a discussion among tech people?

these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

It only takes 4 HN users in support of something to silence opposition to it
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