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Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by direwolf20 »

toephu2 wrote: post #107
direwolf20 wrote: post #41

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If they're not covering windows, signs or art, what is being vandalized? A blank slab of concrete performs its function equally well no matter the color.

A 'blank slab of concrete' isn't just a structural element; it’s a signal of stewardship. When you ignore tagging on that slab, you create a permission structure for more intrusive vandalism. It’s the 'Broken Windows' theory in practice: tagging leads to broken glass, which leads to copper theft, because the physical environment signals that the space is unmonitored and ownership is absent. High-trust societies rely…

The broken windows theory says that broken windows leads to more broken windows. Is there evidence that graffiti leads to broken windows outside of a context where it implies a building is abandoned?

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by direwolf20 »

lostdog wrote: post #94
direwolf20 wrote: post #75

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I think it makes the place look like a place where people are free and not oppressed, which is nice.

They are oppressed by their neighbors, who can scribble all over their home without consequences. Have you had to clean off graffiti?

Why would I have to clean it off?

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by kromokromo »

Gigachad wrote: post #9
s_dev wrote: post #6

Fascinating, I do love street art and tastefully done graffiti. Some of it is obnoxious. I think it does add to the character of a city e.g. New York, Berlin, Montreal, Paris all have some amazing work etc. I submit Irish Graffiti I see here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Graifiti/ Though I think displaying these things as a map is more useful: https://streetartcities.com/cities/sanfrancisco There is a an Irish artist cal…

I'm probably the minority where I don't mind any graffiti, quality or not. As long as it isn't horribly offensive or impacting the functionality of something (over signs/glass/etc). Think I just prefer the look of a wall covered in even shitty tags and pasted posters over a completely blank slate. I particularly love seeing peoples stickers about.

I agree. It feels like people are actually living there, in contrast to sterile, corporate glass/concrete.

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by [deleted] »

zahlman wrote: post #106
jasonkester wrote: post #8

I live near Paris, and it's a shame to see this sort of thing on every surface here. It's so easy and effortless to trash the look of a place, and so much effort and pain to get it back to a presentable state. It just seems hopeless trying to stop it. Sure, you can point to examples of graffiti that don't look all that bad, and I imagine some examples can even be considered to improve the look of a space. But taking…

I consider corporal punishment inherently barbaric. An appropriate fine or short stay in jail ought not be life-ruining. Also, I think there are other effective approaches in some circumstances. People (including "the kids"), locally (Toronto) and other places I've heard of, have been paid (not a super common thing, but it happens) to do actual artwork. There's a mural I consider quite well done, not too far from my…

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Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by seasnake »

walthamstow wrote: post #63
xnorswap wrote: post #36

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He is indeed incredibly prolific, anyone taking a train around london will recognise 10FOOT. But he is not an artist, he literally just tags 10Foot in what could be described as looking like it was done with a marker pen. something like this is very typical: https://ldngraffiti.co.uk/graffiti/writers/flash?pic=152931&... I enjoy good graffiti, but 10FOOT does not fall into that category.

Your link describes him as an author or writer, which is a kind of artist I guess. I'm not bothered about the nomenclature.

The articles describes him correctly as a writer, writer is the term graffiti artists refer to themselves and others as

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by sokoloff »

komali2 wrote: post #164
nmeofthestate wrote: post #60

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I suspect most graffiti doesn't actually have this twisted motivation. It's just selfishness by thoughtless people wanting to advertise themselves, like dogs marking their territory. This intellectual rationalisation is more of a projection by resentful people with a poisonous worldview.

Do you believe you're giving graffiti artists even a thimbleful of good faith by comparing them to dogs?

Is your concern that a thimbleful of good faith for vandals is too much or too little?

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by moron4hire »

secretsatan wrote: post #138
rib3ye wrote: post #121

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He's arguing that the authorities aren't doing anything about it, and the reason is, (going out on a limb here) SF residents are sympathetic to the renegade artistic expression argument.

I think there should be distinction between tagging and graffiti

An authorized painting on a wall is called a mural

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by moron4hire »

jasonkester wrote: post #8

I live near Paris, and it's a shame to see this sort of thing on every surface here. It's so easy and effortless to trash the look of a place, and so much effort and pain to get it back to a presentable state. It just seems hopeless trying to stop it. Sure, you can point to examples of graffiti that don't look all that bad, and I imagine some examples can even be considered to improve the look of a space. But taking…

I understand what you're saying but harsh punishment doesn't really work, they just increase the stakes of the crime and lead to more desperate behavior to avoid getting caught rather than less occurrence of the crime itself. Pretty much the only effective form of crime deterrent is economic development, i.e. give people something else to do.
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