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Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by expedition32 »

xracy wrote: post #130
keeda wrote: post #106

This will sound pedantic but I'll explain why it matters: the exact wording is "We need to do something useful with AI", because the current (editorialized) submission title (of an already slanted article) makes it sound like people don't know what to do with AI. We already know many useful things to do; there are already 10,000 startups (9789 out of YC alone, 4423 of which are coding-related) doing various ostensibl…

> We already know many useful things to do; there are already 10,000 startups (9789 out of YC alone, 4423 of which are coding-related) doing various ostensibly useful things. And there a ton more use-cases discussed in the comments here and elsewhere. But because of the headline the discussion is missing the much more important point! There has to be gold in the West! Look at all of the prospectors moving there to ge…

Nvidia is the hardware store selling shovels in this analogy...

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Post by 3vidence »

goalieca wrote: post #98
2sk21 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of the early 1980s, when home PCs were still very new, the main use cases that vendors used to promote were managing household accounts and recipes. These use cases were extremely unimpressive for most ordinary people. It took a long time for PCs to become ubiquitous in homes - until gaming and the web became common.

Well, LLM is mainly aiming to “Improve” what we can already do. It’s not really opening up new use cases the way the personal computer, the smart phone, or the Internet did.

Thank you for putting this so succinctly, this is what I'm observing as well.

Feels like this combination (usually) creates a race to the bottom instead of expansion of new ideas.

LLMs kind of feel somewhere in the middle

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by dietr1ch »

FireBeyond wrote: post #209
danudey wrote: post #139

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Gemini hallucinated a method on a rust crate that it was trying to use and then spent ten minutes googling 'method_name v4l2 examples' and so on. That method doesn't exist and has never existed; there was a property on the object that contained the information it wanted, but it just sat there spinning its wheels convinced that this imagined method was the key to its success. Eventually it gave up and commented out al…

My favorite with ChatGPT is: "Tell me how to do X" (where X was, for one recent example, creating a Salt stanza to install and configure a service). I do as it tells me, which seems reasonable on the face of it. But it generates an error. "When creating X as you described, I get error: Z. Why?" "You're absolutely correct and you should expect this error because X won't work this way. Do Y instead." Gah... "I told you…

You're absolutely right

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Post by gloosx »

drzaiusx11 wrote: post #48
MadDemon wrote: post #17

LLMs and their capabilities are very impressive and definitely useful. The productivity gains often seem to be smaller than intuitively expected though. For example, using ChatGPT to get a response to a random question like "How do I do XYZ" is much more convenient than googling it, but the time savings are often not that relevant for your overall productivity. Before LLMs you were usually already able to find the in…

If only search engine AI output didn't constantly haluciate nonexistent APIs, it might be a net productivity gain for me...but it's not. I've been bit enough times by their false "example" output for it to be a significant net time loss vs using traditional search results.

It's even worse when LLM eats documentation for multiple versions of the same library and starts hallucimixing methods from all versions at the same time. Certainly unusable for some libraries which had a big API transition between versions recently.

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Post by burnt-resistor »

TwoNineA wrote: post #15
Tepix wrote: post #10

After increasing the prices of RAM, GPUs and flash memory for the entire world, energy cost is next. Thanks AI!

But wait! There is more! Copilot Notepad. Copilot MS Paint. Copilot Shoes. Copilot Ice Cream.

Copilot Surf Boards.

Copilot Liposuction Surgery Machines.

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by Lapsa »

dietr1ch wrote: post #214
FireBeyond wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My favorite with ChatGPT is: "Tell me how to do X" (where X was, for one recent example, creating a Salt stanza to install and configure a service). I do as it tells me, which seems reasonable on the face of it. But it generates an error. "When creating X as you described, I get error: Z. Why?" "You're absolutely correct and you should expect this error because X won't work this way. Do Y instead." Gah... "I told you…

You're absolutely right

it's not just that you are absolutely correct but you are also absolutely right

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by davkan »

neilalexander wrote: post #184
palmotea wrote: post #96

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> For example, using ChatGPT to get a response to a random question like "How do I do XYZ" is much more convenient than googling it, but the time savings are often not that relevant for your overall productivity. Before LLMs you were usually already able to find the information quickly and even a 10x speed up does not really have too much of an impact on your overall productivity, because the time it took was already…

One advantage with LLMs is that they are often more able to find things that you can roughly explain but don't know the name of. They can be a good take-off point for wider searches.

I was able to find a decade old video via llm with the prompt “YouTube video of a french band on a radio station with a girl wearing orange jumpsuit”. I had tried many google searches without success trying to remember the video but the llm came right out with the correct video of The Dø on KEXP first try. 99 times out of 100 I prefer normal search though.
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