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Re: I'm addicted to being useful

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can be a challenging skill to apply, and you need to use your judgement to discern whether the other person is in a place to engage with what you say. One comment I'd make is the difference between "valid" and "rational". Emotions and feelings are always "valid", in the sense that they are a natural consequence of events and prior conditioning. But feelings are rarely "rational" - they often don't reflect the comp…

> Emotions and feelings are always "valid", in the sense that they are a natural consequence of events and prior conditioning. If “validating” someone’s emotions comes down to simply saying that, yes, I agree you felt that way, then I suppose that’s true. But when people talk about validating other people’s emotions it implies that they’re saying the emotional response was valid for the circumstances. I have someone…

You’re making a reasonable point, but I think you’re arguing against a somewhat strawmanned version of emotional validation.

You’re treating “validation” as synonymous with “agreeing the emotional response was proportionate and correct.” But that’s not really what validation means in a therapeutic or even colloquial sense. Validating someone’s emotions typically means acknowledging that the emotion is real and understandable given how that person perceived the situation. It doesn’t require you to endorse their perception as accurate.

You can say “I get why you’d feel terrified if you believed X was happening” while also gently probing whether X is actually happening. That’s still validation. What you’re describing as helpful for your family member isn’t really “invalidation” so much as reality-testing, which is a different thing and can coexist with emotional validation.

Your anecdote is doing a lot of work here. We don’t know what “constantly validated” actually looked like in practice, or what the “level headed” person was doing differently. It’s possible the first partner was just conflict-avoidant and agreeing with distorted interpretations of events, which isn’t validation so much as enabling. And the second partner may have been effective not because they said “your reaction isn’t valid” but because they offered a stable outside perspective while still being emotionally supportive.

Your broader point about reinforcement is worth taking seriously though. There are absolutely cases where excessive reassurance-seeking gets reinforced by certain responses. But the solution isn’t to tell people their feelings are wrong. It’s to validate the feeling while not automatically validating the catastrophic interpretation driving it.

Re: I'm addicted to being useful

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Nothing wrong on the surface with this, and the author explicitly acknowledges this risk, but it bears repeating: Corporate environments are almost always toxic places to fulfill your emotional needs. It is true that finding a job that "resonates" with your personality is key to living a fulfilling life, and that software engineering is the kind of profession that is really going to fit certain personality types extr…

> corporate culture can and will take advantage of you

All jobs take advantage of you to some degree. The difference is that a corporate job pays much more, and the work load is a tiny fraction of other jobs. If you on top of this can work with something you enjoy, then you've gotten a very good deal.

Re: I'm addicted to being useful

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post #7

> I don’t mind the ways in which my job is dysfunctional, because it matches the ways in which I myself am dysfunctional As a fellow traveller, I offer one caution: learn to turn this down in personal relationships as it can be counterproductive. It took decades for my wife to finally get through and explain not every problem she voices is something that needs a solution. Some times people just want to be heard. It b…

The solution is to get a gambling addiction, a drug addiction, trouble with the law, or a healthy mix of all three.

Then your wife (or husband) will stop bitching to you about their problems, and start bitching to other people about their problem (you).

Re: I'm addicted to being useful

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The problem of doing this now is that no company will care, they will be happy that you are doing more for less, so no salary increase, no job tittle change.

I used to love my job (DevOps, Platform, DevSecOps Engineer) but I learned the hard way to disappear after 4:59PM and never get online before 8:59

Also, no more e-mail, teams, slack, etc, on my personal phone. While working be in the office or WFH, I do my best but outside that, you won't find me.

I am addicted to being useful culture died in early 2000s.... I am seeing projects where the goal is to have AI Teams managing AI Teams without human intervention, so enjoy your life and take workplace less seriously, we are gonna be replaced and you will regret spending more time working than living!!

Re: I'm addicted to being useful

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post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mind sharing what that worthwhile problem is?

I have purposely omitted the specifics as I also have given up trying to convince others interested in my worthwhile problem. If interests align, we will naturally meet. I usually tell them it is more important that they should take some time (6 months - 1 year) to reflect in isolation to find their own worthwhile problems, and not get distracted by fads and drama.

"Convincing others" is a serious problem on its own, and it's okay to let someone else handle it full-time.

Re: I'm addicted to being useful

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The working dog analogy really resonated. I've noticed this same trait in teachers, nurses, even parents; that intrinsic satisfaction from being needed. The tricky part is knowing when it tips from fulfilling to self-depleting.

Re: I'm addicted to being useful

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This internal compulsion is just learned behavior. The society conditions you to work instead of play. Nothing wrong with that, I have that compulsion as well. Having a compulsion to play, purely for the sake of playing is a much healthier view. Useful, not useful, hard problem, easy problem, should not matter, you're playing. Sometimes you can't be useful, yet you can always play. All stems from inability to have sy…

As we mature mentally, we need more interesting games to play, more interesting challenges. Work is many times the result of this.

It's the same with romance. When we are children we have a crush on somebody, become pretend "boyfriend and girlfriend", and as we mature the game becomes more interesting as it becomes real.

But it's all a game throughout life.

So perhaps it is those who enjoy work who has elevated their spiritual level, and not the other way around?

Re: I'm addicted to being useful

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I have something similar to this need to be useful but perhaps a different twist that is causing me problems. It's not so much a sense that I want to be useful but a feeling that I HAVE to be or bad things will happen. Lately it's a constantly running internal narrative that everyone around me is useless. Which breeds an anxiety that if I don't do everything then something important will slip through the cracks. That…

> something important will slip through the cracks

Unless you work with life-and-death situations, what's so fucking important?

Re: I'm addicted to being useful

#219

This internal compulsion is just learned behavior. The society conditions you to work instead of play. Nothing wrong with that, I have that compulsion as well. Having a compulsion to play, purely for the sake of playing is a much healthier view. Useful, not useful, hard problem, easy problem, should not matter, you're playing. Sometimes you can't be useful, yet you can always play. All stems from inability to have sy…

I like this thought. It is interesting to look at our current societal/economic systems on the earth and realize none of them will survive the death of scarcity.

In abstract terms capitalism doesn't depend on scarcity? Capitalism as in centralisation of the means of production (even when there is no human labor anymore).
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