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European Commission issues call for evidence on open source

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Re: European Commission issues call for evidence on open source

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Europe does not need more open source, it needs its own healthy and competitive software industry. It doesn't matter if the email platform a government uses is open source, but it should be able to pick a local alternative. It does not matter if the e-ID or payments app is running on an open source mobile OS, but it should be possible to run it on a non-US one. Policy may help the European software industry, at least…

I disagree. Let's say there's an app that stores healthcare data in an EU compliant format, there's 3 possibilities: - Every country develops its own solution, which is good for employee demand, but can be inefficient - Every country standardizes on a proprietary solution. The problem will be that said solution will most likely come from one of the major EU countries (say Germany) and others will feel left out and fo…

There is another option, to develop pan-european software as it has been done in other areas such as aerospace.

Re: European Commission issues call for evidence on open source

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> unite them without raising a new (local) software-dictator If you're afraid that one country might create a better software product/company and win the market and this would become 'unfair,' you've already lost the plot. Instead of harnessing the best talent the EU has to offer, you're making sure they never get off the ground in the name of 'fairness.' Tall poppy syndrome in the extreme. I'm sorry but the free mar…

That's an interesstingly delusional take, considering Open Source would support the free market in this specific case. > If you're afraid that one country might create a better software product/company and win the market and this would become 'unfair,' you've already lost the plot. That's not how this market works. With government, many projects do not make the deal because they have the better offer or superiour pro…

I'm confused with the disconnect here, so you simultaneously believe that:

- government decision making is corrupt/inefficient (they would not pick the best product, only the company that bribed them the most)

AND

- government directly funding software development would not suffer from the same issues with government being corrupt/inefficient?

Re: European Commission issues call for evidence on open source

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As a South American, it’s striking to see how the current U.S. administration has forced other countries to confront the risks of not having their own digital infrastructure. And this isn’t just about software or the cloud. What happens if tomorrow the U.S. forbids Apple from selling iPhones outside its borders? Or starts requiring built-in backdoors or kill switchs? Scenarios like these raise a deeper question: coul…

> Could this mean the end of a globalized world?

That's the goal of the nationalists, which includes the current US administration and many in business and prominently in SV. Why do they want to sacrifice their own wealth, and freedom and peace worldwide? It's an important question.

Re: European Commission issues call for evidence on open source

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I disagree. Let's say there's an app that stores healthcare data in an EU compliant format, there's 3 possibilities: - Every country develops its own solution, which is good for employee demand, but can be inefficient - Every country standardizes on a proprietary solution. The problem will be that said solution will most likely come from one of the major EU countries (say Germany) and others will feel left out and fo…

There is another option, to develop pan-european software as it has been done in other areas such as aerospace.

As long as you define pan-europe as like 5 countries.

Re: European Commission issues call for evidence on open source

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The current socio-political climate is actually making this analogy less US-centric by the day :( edit: I'm specifically referring to people losing their jobs and similar retaliations due to being on the left, or making public statements that the current administration and supporters don't like.

It didn't start when it was people losing their jobs on the right? Brandon Eich's political donation comes to mind.

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Re: European Commission issues call for evidence on open source

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The current socio-political climate is actually making this analogy less US-centric by the day :( edit: I'm specifically referring to people losing their jobs and similar retaliations due to being on the left, or making public statements that the current administration and supporters don't like.

It didn't start when it was people losing their jobs on the right? Brandon Eich's political donation comes to mind.

Brandon Eich resigned.

Re: European Commission issues call for evidence on open source

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As a South American, it’s striking to see how the current U.S. administration has forced other countries to confront the risks of not having their own digital infrastructure. And this isn’t just about software or the cloud. What happens if tomorrow the U.S. forbids Apple from selling iPhones outside its borders? Or starts requiring built-in backdoors or kill switchs? Scenarios like these raise a deeper question: coul…

Hopefully it just means a world with redundant important production chains, rather than an end of all globalization.

Re: European Commission issues call for evidence on open source

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I agree with others here that focusing your eyes on _using_ open source is, at least, an incomplete view of the problem. What we (European software engineers) have been arguing, is that software that is funded by public means, such as from universities or institutions, ought to be made fully public, including ability to tweak. Thinking that open source software will help solve your budget and/or political problem is…

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Re: European Commission issues call for evidence on open source

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China is on the path to doing just that, and I expect the heads of the government (or at least the people behind the scenes) in both EU and India consider this. The US has, unfortunately, proven to be a very unreliable partner.

The problem isn’t only the U.S. China is also unreliable, and Russia as well. Just look at what happened to the EU with its dependence on Russian gas: once the war in Ukraine started, that dependency immediately turned into a major vulnerability.

I don't disagree.

From my point of view, we (europeans) should focus on our collective well-being and sovereignty.

Unfortunately it feels that at times, we find more to split with each other than the rest of the world.

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