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I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by hagbard_c »

waihtis wrote: post #161
littlecranky67 wrote: post #118

Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…

MSFT is absolutely screwed, they have ruined every single product they have (OS, Azure, M365) through a combination of hiring subpar cheap devs and AI code slop, and their big strategic money squeeze bet on AI is about to be severely undercut by the market. There is very little of actual value left in the company, they're only held in place by the OS monopoly. Whatever nostalgic love there has been for the company fr…

> MSFT is absolutely screwed

Probably

> they have ruined every single product they have (OS, Azure, M365)

You forgot Github, the once-reliable and once-generally-fast but now pink-unicorn-bedraggled slow-as-molasses 'forge' site. Oh how they messed it up and am I ever glad I only ever used it as a mirror for my own repos.

How they manage to screw up just about every product they purchase remains a mystery to me but by ${deity} are they good at it.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by glimshe »

luma wrote: post #184
waihtis wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MSFT is absolutely screwed, they have ruined every single product they have (OS, Azure, M365) through a combination of hiring subpar cheap devs and AI code slop, and their big strategic money squeeze bet on AI is about to be severely undercut by the market. There is very little of actual value left in the company, they're only held in place by the OS monopoly. Whatever nostalgic love there has been for the company fr…

Absolutely screwed! Every single product they have - OS (dominant desktop and laptop OS by a wide margin), Azure - (gaining in second place, now 25% vs AWS 31%), M365 (also dominant, particularly in terms of revenue). None of these show any sign of going anywhere, and if anything, the numbers for cloud and M365 are trending up. I could only wish my own business were this screwed.

Their success is a big part of why the experience is so bad as they have to appeal to a common denominator.

At the same time, they also win on the little things that diehard opponents choose to ignore, like search that kind of works. I don't like Office 365 but I'm a paying customer because, after long research, I haven't found a competitor that meets all my requirements.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by shaky-carrousel »

wtcactus wrote: post #124
scrollaway wrote: post #87

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I started watching YouTuber Evan Edinger recently and it’s been a breath of fresh air because he’s been saying things I understood to be true a long time ago, but never quite verified until now. One of those being about American exceptionalism and how Americans will only ever make judgement about other countries (including the EU) from the highly deformed perspective of their local news. And they’ll do this, knowingl…

I’m European, you self righteous authoritarian lover.

You're British, so you're European when it suits you, and American when it matters. Two steps from the 51st state.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by theshrike79 »

debois wrote: post #158
kavouras wrote: post #10

I don't like the idea of moving from google's ecosystem to proton. While they're better, ecosystems tend to get locked down or change for the worse.I'm not planning to repeat the google cycle. I got my own domain for email, bitwarden for passwords, firefox forks for browsing, and many other stuff to get off google. Also I realised that stuff like contacts, notes, calendar don't really need to be on the cloud, but I'm…

I agree that Google (and in the above comment MS) failed to fulfill their lofty promises (“don’t be evil” etc.) But the blame is on us: we should have known better than to entrust our data to free services run by a company whose entire revenue comes from ads. Proton is funded by our subscription payments. I think there’s reasonable hope that their incentives will remained aligned with those of their paying users.

Google has very good PR, people still can't grasp that they're an ad company that dabbles in hardware and services.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by deaux »

Kudos. We're finding it hard to migrate away from Google Sheets in particular due to all the plugins and integrations around them. For the other things you listed we also don't rely on Big Tech. Not keen on Proton though, they seem dodgy and IMO the number one candidate for being the next Crypto AG. Besidea that, it's still "all your eggs in one basket".

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by morgan814 »

dewey wrote: post #155
hackerInnen wrote: post #152

Okay looks like proton does a lot nowadays. But if someone wants a nice email provider that just works I can't stop to recommend posteo. A german email provider. 1€/month and they are just great. Been using them for 15 years now or something like that and I never had any problems. At least I can't remember any. They also always give out a transparency report[1] and apparently can't hand out much data to governments,…

Not being able to use your domain is a pretty massive downside. The great part about email is that you can move between providers without issues. I wouldn’t want to use a posteo.de email for all my services when I don’t know if they will be around in 10 years.

You can always use AnonAddy, SimpleLogin, or similar to receive emails at your domain then forward them to Posteo.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by mrits »

lostlogin wrote: post #210
mrits wrote: post #207

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Dictators typically don't win popular votes legitimately. Dictators typically don't have the courts constantly overruling them. Europeans tend to have very little idea how the US government functions. Trump is able to do what he does simply because the people voted for a congress that supports him.

> Dictators typically don't win popular votes legitimately. It also isn’t how you win in the US. The winner of the popular vote was Trump this last round (unlike his first term), but with a far-from-resounding 1.5%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presiden...

I'm sure this is trivia on the other side of the world but we learn this in 2nd grade

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by coldtea »

graemep wrote: post #150
coldtea wrote: post #136

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Close enough

Its close, but its not the EU. Would you describe using British services as an "all-EU stack? I am not saying its a bad thing. It may well be better than the EU (I do not know the current state of Swiss law).

>*Would you describe using British services as an "all-EU stack"?

No, but I'd call the UK "England" without a second thought...

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by utopiah »

graemep wrote: post #148
utopiah wrote: post #67

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That's a bold claim, are you implying that encryption is a scam?

All is hyperbole, but given the reach of big tech combined with intelligence gathering it probably does have that access to almost all. Not because of lack of encryption but because there are so many routes to getting that data. The combination of US domination of cloud services with even greater domination of device OSes the US has access to most data if it wants to.

> almost all. ... access to most data if it wants to.

Well that's a quite an important difference.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by utopiah »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #69
utopiah wrote: post #68

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> I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control, Strange to compare "scares" with a business model that's 20 years old now. Sure the EU is far from perfect but it's like comparing a well known problem to a potential one. One is bad, the other might sucks. It's definitely not equivalent.

> It's definitely not equivalent. We agree, but not for the reasons you think we do. Chatcontrol is literally 1984. It's mandated at the provider level. You can't opt out. You can always chose not to participate in the social media, sharing whatever you do. You can't not participate in chat control. Same same, but different.

FWIW I didn't say Chatcontrol was good. I'm saying there is a fundamental difference between a potential law versus an existing situation.
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