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Re: CSS Grid Lanes

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Post by alwillis »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #153
rahkiin wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered using tables? It is funny how we keep asking more and more and more even though we already have it so much better than before. Can we never be happy with what we have?

> It is funny how we keep asking more and more and more even though we already have it so much better than before. I've been developing web stuff for 15 years now and sometimes I can't believe comments like these. We didn't have it "so much better before". CSS sucked hard and getting things right for three devices was an incredible pain in the ass. Tables have semantic meaning. They don't support fractional units. Re…

I saw a similar comment on HN recently that CSS was "better" back in the day and what we have today is either unnecessary or too hard.

I reminded that person we had to use floats and positioning hacks and abuse HTML tables for page layout before flexbox and CSS Grid were created.

There was no way simple method to center a div!

Re: CSS Grid Lanes

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Post by alwillis »

GaryBluto wrote: post #116

To quote the wise Karl Pilkington: "Do we need 'em?" HTML has become more and more bloated. How many methods do we need to do something that was possible back in the 90s?

> HTML has become more and more bloated. How many methods do we need to do something that was possible back in the 90s?

This is incorrect. Lots of old stuff was removed or deprecated from the HTML5 specification; elements like `s`, `u` were repurposed from being presentational to semantic:

- acronym

- applet

- basefont

- big

- center

- dir

- font

- frame

- frameset

- isindex

- noframes

- s

- strike

- tt

- u

- xmp

- noembed

- plaintext

Re: CSS Grid Lanes

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Post by perardi »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #153
rahkiin wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered using tables? It is funny how we keep asking more and more and more even though we already have it so much better than before. Can we never be happy with what we have?

> It is funny how we keep asking more and more and more even though we already have it so much better than before. I've been developing web stuff for 15 years now and sometimes I can't believe comments like these. We didn't have it "so much better before". CSS sucked hard and getting things right for three devices was an incredible pain in the ass. Tables have semantic meaning. They don't support fractional units. Re…

I have been developing web stuff for 20 years now and I also can’t believe comments like these.

Flex and grid enable layouts that are far beyond anything we could do with table layouts. Anyone who claims otherwise has obviously not done any amount of serious, production FE UI design and development.

Are there bits of DX ergonomics I’d like in flex and grid? Of course. Does the syntax sometimes feel a bit arcane? Yeah. But the raw power is there, and anyone who claims the contrary is either a gormless backend developer, or some troll who is trying to design things in MS Word.

Re: CSS Grid Lanes

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Post by perardi »

imbnwa wrote: post #133

What’s the best resource for getting a handle on all modern CSS for someone who hasn’t paid attention since flex box

There are a lot of resources.

I am a fan of: https://www.youtube.com/@KevinPowell

Kevin is a no-nonsense no-hype educator. He will keep you up to date without a lot of engagement hacking.

Re: CSS Grid Lanes

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Post by dagmx »

miiiiiike wrote: post #206
dagmx wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if you were the one who tuned out, then isn’t it uncharitable to describe it as their failing to make you aware of the vote? Isn’t it on you to stay in the loop? Surely they can’t start just pinging everyone who might have cared at some point during the time to get involved.

I get what you're saying but making interminable arguments and keeping the "debate" going is a tactic. There's that CIA sabotage manual with the section about meetings and conferences, it can feel like that. The duration of these debates aren't usually measured in hours, days, or weeks, but years. And the people who dragging them on and staying in the fights are employed full-time to do exactly that. It got to the po…

This feels very much tinfoil.

There’s no incentive to the companies or the employees to draw out the discussion, especially over something so trivial. It’s much more preferable to try and speed through things to get things done in a time frame that can be adopted.

And regardless, if you don’t feel it’s worth your time, then why cast aspersions that it was something clandestine and intentionally hidden? You could have shown up and kept up with it, just like everyone else involved presumably did.

Re: CSS Grid Lanes

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Post by jhogervorst »

pie_flavor wrote: post #123
culi wrote: post #27

Props to the Safari team. They surprised us all when they suddenly shot to the top of interop-2025 this October https://wpt.fyi/interop-2025

My favorite is finally supporting `arbitrary-subdomain.localhost`. Been a real pain in the neck to add Safari-specific fallbacks for my usage of that.

Oh, that's nice for sure! Has it been announced anywhere?

Re: CSS Grid Lanes

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Post by socalgal2 »

culi wrote: post #27

Props to the Safari team. They surprised us all when they suddenly shot to the top of interop-2025 this October https://wpt.fyi/interop-2025

interop-2025. It does not mean Safari supports all the latest stuff. It means, "for some small subset of stuff here's the percent that's supported".

Of course Safari pushes to have anything they don't want to support not in that subset.

Re: CSS Grid Lanes

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Post by mrgoldenbrown »

robertoandred wrote: post #196
nehalem wrote: post #161

There is an element of tragic comedy to those announcement. While remarkable on their own, everybody knows that one cannot use any new browser feature reliably any time soon due to Apple not shipping continuous updates to the browsers they force upon their users.

Safari got a big update last week.

Safari in general got an update, or Safari on only the devices Apple deems worthy? Usually Apple limits Safari updates to new phones.
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