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Re: 2026 Apple introducing more ads to increase opportunity in search results

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Post by coldtea »

ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #163
audunw wrote: post #123

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You say it's not marked as an ad, but in that image there's a clear blue "Ad" label. Are there cases where that label is not present?

It's not clearly labeled, it is a very small label with white text on a pale blue background in an already very busy UI. It is clearly made to look like a real search result and not an ad. On top of this, the screenshots are clearly made to mislead the user into thinking that this is the officiel Microsoft authenticator app by having a large text saying "Authenticator for Microsoft" and a second screenshot with a "Mi…

>It's not clearly labeled, it is a very small label with white text on a pale blue background in an already very busy UI.

You piled a whole lot of arguments, but doesn't change the fact that it's still clearly labelled. Besides, you only need to notice this box once to be able to tell whether something marked the same way is an ad or not in the future.

You're absolutely right on the real problem: it's allowed to present itself, totally convincingly to the average / naive user, as Microsoft sanctioned.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

matsemann wrote: post #28
heavyset_go wrote: post #23

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> One of the differentiators between iOS and Google was a lack of ads Both have had ads in apps, in app stores and on websites. This was never a differentiator.

Yeah, and no way of using a browser with ad blocker for a decade or to avoid them in apps. If anything, the iOS experience has always been more ad-riddled than Android.

The App Store came out in 2008, ad blocking in browsers came out in 2016.

I have exactly one ad supported app on my phone - Overcast. Mobile games have become so enshittified they aren’t interesting.

The only reason I haven’t paid for ad free Overcast is just because when I was about to in order to support an indie developer, the author introduced his own ad platform that wasn’t scammy and its ads for other podcasts in the same category for the one you are actually listening to. I found his ads good and I found other interesting podcasts because of it.

Re: 2026 Apple introducing more ads to increase opportunity in search results

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Post by dangus »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #60
dangus wrote: post #49

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Ah, so using a different advertisement platform instead of this one. Let me put this another way: if you want to manually kick off app updates, you literally have to see ads. App Store > Today tab (the default view) has ads. Then you hit your profile button to escape the ad center and there is your app update interface. This has been normalized by basically all commercial OS platforms, but imagine how insanely negati…

$SEARCH_ENGINE engine is nowadays copilot or chatgpt, both ad-free if you use a simple ad-blocker.

ChatGPT just announced ads, right? AI chat will be even harder to ad block than search engines. It won’t be a simple matter of blocking ad domains.

Re: 2026 Apple introducing more ads to increase opportunity in search results

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Post by dangus »

azangru wrote: post #108
dangus wrote: post #34

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It's literally the only way to download apps. A platform that doesn't let you simply install a desired package without being shown ads is kind of crazy but it's basically industry standard for everything that's not Linux.

> It's literally the only way to download apps. Is it? I don't think I've ever downloaded anything from Apple's app store. Hmm. What have I got? Chrome. Installed from website. GIMP. Installed from website. LibreOffice. Installed from website. VSCode. Installed from website. VLC. Installed from website. Zoom. Installed from website. Homebrew. Installed by using a command from a website. And then, a bunch of stuff ins…

It is on iOS and iPadOS which is obviously what I was talking about.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

faust201 wrote: post #116
al_borland wrote: post #3

I’m really not a fan of this direction for Apple. One of the differentiators between iOS and Google was a lack of ads, which make the experience feel more premium. Increasing ads, or having them at all, really erodes the user experience. Apple managed to become the most valuable company in the world without ads. Adding them after hitting that milestone feels either greedy or desperate, maybe a little of both. I know…

> One of the differentiators between iOS and Google was a lack of ads I always wonder how apple's marketing team pulled this off. - If you use any decent browser like Firefox* (or its different clones) one get enhanced privacy, no ads, byepasspaywalls etc. - Even Chromium forks have decent adblocking - Using NewPipe (like revanced opensource) for ad free YouTube All my iOS friends scroll through so many ads - admitte…

The same Firefox that only survives because most of its revenue comes from Google?

Your friends are only scrolling through ads because they haven’t installed an ad blocker. They have been available for iOS Safari for over a decade - since iOS 8.

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Post by dangus »

charcircuit wrote: post #98
dangus wrote: post #49

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Ah, so using a different advertisement platform instead of this one. Let me put this another way: if you want to manually kick off app updates, you literally have to see ads. App Store > Today tab (the default view) has ads. Then you hit your profile button to escape the ad center and there is your app update interface. This has been normalized by basically all commercial OS platforms, but imagine how insanely negati…

>but imagine how insanely negatively received it would be if apt upgrade So what already happens when you ssh into an Ubuntu server to run apt upgrade to manually update it. It turns out people don't care that much.

I think they do care. In the gaming community, Ubuntu has gone from about 40% to 10% marketshare since 2018.

https://youtu.be/Pwt216nn0zE

Now, you might say this is because of the influence of SteamOS, but I think you’d be hard pressed to argue that Ubuntu has been getting more popular overall.

Linux users have a choice while iOS and Android users essentially don’t.

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Post by somenameforme »

coldtea wrote: post #209
b112 wrote: post #193

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Only a left or right, one or the other world view would think such. As with almost everything, it's both. Some morality is relative, some is absolute.

What morality is absolute? Morality being absolute means just that you subjectively consider some moral rules absolute. Doesn't make them so, the way the law of gravity is absolute. And it doesn't mean that every human society agrees to what you consider "absolute". All things you consider "absolute", there are whole societies which found them to be just fine, and you'd do too if you were raised in them, including in…

Many things are naturally repulsive, but are indulged out of necessity or gain. For instance Aristotle wasn't opposed to slavery, yet nonetheless in his writings, now some 2400+ years ago, he found himself obligated to lay out an extensive and lengthy defense and rationalization of such, and he even predicted what would eventually end it:

"For if every instrument could accomplish its own work, obeying or anticipating the will of others, like the statues of Daedalus, or the tripods of Hephaestus, which, says the poet, 'Of their own accord entered the assembly of the Gods.' If, in like manner, the shuttle would weave and the plectrum touch the lyre without a hand to guide them, chief workmen would not want servants, nor masters slaves." [1]

There were millennia of efforts to end slavery, but it's only the technological and industrial revolution that finally succeeded in doing so. But the point is that even though Aristotle was ostensibly not opposed to slavery, he nonetheless knew it was a decision that needed justification because it was fundamentally repulsive, even in a society where it was ubiquitous and relatively non-controversial, thousands of years ago.

This 'natural repulsion' is, I think, some degree of evidence for persistent, if not absolute, morality throughout at least thousands of years of humanity's existence, and I see no reason to assume it would not trend back long further than that.

[1] - https://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/politics.mb.txt

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Post by squigz »

nottorp wrote: post #206
squigz wrote: post #185

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It's marked as an ad the exact same way they do it on Android and the exact same way it's done on Google. These responses are a bit surprising. I wonder how people would have responded if this were about Android.

> It's marked as an ad the exact same way they do it on Android and the exact same way it's done on Google. That is, in the most deceiving way they could think of while still being able to say they marked it.

It's really not that deceptive. It says "Ad", right there. I can think of about 40 different, more deceptive ways they could have gone. If that was their goal... they failed.

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Post by notyourwork »

isodev wrote: post #103
hhoorzad wrote: post #7

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> I’d rather pay an extra $100 for the phone than have ads all over it. In all likelihood, we will pay an extra $100 AND have ads.

Apple Ads+, curated selection of premium ads for 9.99€/month. Also available as part of Apple One if you buy 2TB of extra iCloud storage.

Cannot wait for ads to slip into my iCloud storage.
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