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Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by entrox »

mr_mitm wrote: post #165
entrox wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this my fault as customer? This a predatory practice in tech. I work in automotive, the hoops you have to jump through in order to push a SW update are enormous. One of the first rules is: if the owner of the vehicle does not consent to an OTA update, you're out of luck. The industry is obviously unable to self-regulate, so it is time for an external regulator, e.g. the EU, to jump in and mandate that SW updat…

They should mandate that the consumer must have the choice to install whatever OS they like.

I agree, but why not both?

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Post by szszrk »

everdrive wrote: post #179
szszrk wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you buy a generic TV nowadays? All that I have available in typical stores are smart TVs. The rest is some display panels meant for commercial installations (like big ad screens, multiple, working as one), which are only available online at a premium price.

Yes, but they can be a bit tricky to find. You can find them used. You can use a computer monitor. Ultimately, I'm planning for a world where the technological decline continues (ie, technology continues to be something which its users do not own or control) and things like adblock just don't work anymore. When that finally happens, I'm honestly going to be watching DVDs, VHS, reading books, etc. This is a game of ca…

> Yes, but they can be a bit tricky to find. You can find them used. You can use a computer monitor.

Sir, that's basically a no.

A TV is a specific device. It has many functions that TV monitor seldom has, or implements poorly. Like speakers. Or rich inputs and outputs, like multiple hdmi and antenna. Or a proper remote, a dvb-t tuner. Or play media on it's own when connected via USB. Or DLNA (I had devices far from modern smart-tv that could do that, in the past).

Monitor or panel can mimic some of this, with effort on your side, but not really.

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Post by danaris »

alias_neo wrote: post #187
kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

Maybe this is what I need to do. I disconnected our living room LG TV from the internet and got a Fire Stick 4K Max, but I hate it; 90% of the screen is advert, and you get a tiny sliver for the 5 apps it lets you see, and you have to go digging for the rest, not to mention the home-screen advertising isn't always appropriate for young children. I hadn't considered Apple TV because I've never been an Apple user, but…

I've been using an AppleTV as the primary way to get content to my (dumb, vintage 2007) TV for approximately a decade now.

While my usage has increasingly shifted toward drawing from my personal library through first Plex, then Jellyfin, I've also used Netflix, YouTube, Twitch, Amazon Prime Video, AppleTV+, and probably a couple of other content apps I'm forgetting on it. Aside from some issues with the UI of individual apps (which is, of course, on the developers), it all works great. Many of the apps can even show you a couple of tiles of "suggested content" right from the home screen (for instance, when I select the Netflix app, but before I launch it, it currently shows the next episodes from the most recent two shows I've been watching on it).

There are various ways in which an AppleTV can be better if you're already in the Apple ecosystem (which I am), but you absolutely do not need to be to make excellent use of it.

It can even join your Tailscale network and act as an exit node, giving you a quick & dirty VPN into your home network!

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Post by smartbit »

b3lvedere wrote: post #128
jwr wrote: post #126

As a reminder if you own an LG TV, turn off the sneakily named "Live Plus" thing. This "option" makes your LG TV spy on you, tracking and reporting what you watch based on the image that is shown on the TV. You need to go to Settings -> All Settings -> General -> System -> Additional Settings to make sure the "Live Plus" option is OFF. Check it periodically, as it sometimes turns itself back on again after updates. T…

"Check it periodically, as it sometimes turns itself back on again after updates." Ah, so exactly like Microsoft Windows operating systems behave.

And iOS / iPadOS for that matter, after every update

  1. go to Settings -> Account -> iCloud -> See All and verify all are Off. 
  2. go to Storage, for each listed select ’Delete Data from iCloud’

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Post by aembleton »

mikkupikku wrote: post #195
kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

My new rule for modern TVs is don't have a TV at all. The social role of having a TV is rapidly dwindling. First off, the number of movies and TV shows that merit even being watched is dwindling. Secondly, even if you find something worth watching, the odds that anybody else will want to watch it is small; everybody has been atomized by recommendation algorithms, everybody gets shown a different set of ads and media,…

I like rewatching old TV shows and films, streamed from my Jellyfin server.

For me, my rule is to get a Google TV, because I can change out the launcher to Flauncher. At least that way I don't see any ads. Google may well still be tracking me, but they do all over the web and I have an Android phone so they've already got plenty of data on me. I just avoid their ads so that it minimises the profitability of that data.

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Post by aembleton »

alias_neo wrote: post #187
kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

Maybe this is what I need to do. I disconnected our living room LG TV from the internet and got a Fire Stick 4K Max, but I hate it; 90% of the screen is advert, and you get a tiny sliver for the 5 apps it lets you see, and you have to go digging for the rest, not to mention the home-screen advertising isn't always appropriate for young children. I hadn't considered Apple TV because I've never been an Apple user, but…

You could install Flauncher or another launcher onto Android TV. Then you don't see ads.

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Post by Xiol32 »

mikkupikku wrote: post #195
kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

My new rule for modern TVs is don't have a TV at all. The social role of having a TV is rapidly dwindling. First off, the number of movies and TV shows that merit even being watched is dwindling. Secondly, even if you find something worth watching, the odds that anybody else will want to watch it is small; everybody has been atomized by recommendation algorithms, everybody gets shown a different set of ads and media,…

I just want a massive screen to watch my content on - everything else you mention is irrelevant.

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Post by nticompass »

MrMember wrote: post #7
cebert wrote: post #2

I don’t think Microsoft realizes that this is not a positive for their brand.

It's a positive for a nameless middle manager somewhere who can show their boss a graph with a line moving to the right and up with a title like "AI Adoption Across Platforms" and hit their bonus target.

3 Billion Devices run Java, I mean Copilot.
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