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Re: The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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Post by jeffwask »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #159
jeffwask wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair to Walt Disney, he cared about a lot beyond profit and believed in advancing technology and society in a way modern corporate leaders absolutely do not. He was no saint but he's a far cry from modern CEO's.

To be fair, Walt Disney partnered with his brother Roy Disney, and they co-founded and ran the Walt Disney Company (and the iterations before it). These iterations of the Disney Company were never just Walt Disney.

Yes, but if you watch any documentaries about early Disney and listen to those people talk everything was about Walt's vision even after death they would ask "What would Walt want or do?" He was a figure whose influence and vision is on another level in American History (both good and bad) and early Disney was Walt no matter who was in charge on paper or even if Walt was still alive. That only started to change under Eisner. Roy was the one who kept Walt grounded so ambition shrunk but they stayed the course Walt set.

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Post by notyourwork »

yreg wrote: post #209
giancarlostoro wrote: post #6

This will not end well for Disney, there were certain historical characters removed from Sora 2 because people kept making racist videos that are hard to censor, and it became increasingly unhinged. This feels like another circular investment where Disney is hoping to make money back I'm sure. On the other hand, assuming they do the freemium stuff, I look forward to making a few videos of my daughters favorite Disney…

I understand that Disney might care about this, but I don't see why they should. What exactly does “fanart” (no matter how distasteful and controversial) change? Let people generate whatever fictional character they want.

It only works until Mickey Mouse shows up on your Tiktok feed lynching an African American and doing a sieg heil salute. Are you sure Disney wants that or would not care about that??

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Post by andrew_lettuce »

illwrks wrote: post #138

Perhaps.... functionality will only be available to paid accounts/integrations. OpenAI will be contractually bound to report offensive content, Disney Lawyers will get the direct contact details via the paid account to know the user and sue.

Not a lawyer but I'd be interested to know if you can sue an end user who uses AI ... In the past you could for using tools, but if AI has autonomy based solely on a prompt that might even open up free speech defenses

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Post by sofixa »

arealaccount wrote: post #136
dutchCourage wrote: post #119

$1B sounds huge, I don't understand what Disney has to gain. Is this only to have some control over the videos generated on Sora with their IP?

From https://openai.com/index/disney-sora-agreement/ It's an equity investment, and yes they're agreeing to a committment to protecting the rights of the creators. > Disney and OpenAI affirm a shared commitment to responsible use of AI that protects the safety of users and the rights of creators. >Alongside the licensing agreement, Disney will become a major customer of OpenAI, using its APIs to build new products, t…

> protects ... the rights of creators

So all those creators that OpenAI plagiarised from, and are suing them, they just needed to pay them to get protection? Sounds easy!

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Post by dmix »

otterley wrote: post #181

What mad world are we living in where Disney — Disney — is paying someone to lose control over its IP?

The alternative is they make no money and people still produce them using other video gen tools without the copyright filters.

Similar to the music industry piracy battle, it makes more sense to work with the big platforms than fight them.

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Post by sofixa »

s1mon wrote: post #168
dboreham wrote: post #99

Shouldn't OpenAI be paying Disney?

That was my first thought. When I saw 'Disney' and 'OpenAI' in a headline together I assumed the money was flowing the other way around. Certainly other rights holders like the NYTimes are looking for the cash to flow the opposite direction (they're suing because of allegations that OpenAI trained on copyrighted material which can be reproduced through prompting). Unless this investment somehow is structured so that…

> they're suing because of allegations that OpenAI trained on copyrighted material which can be reproduced through prompting

Are OpenAI even denying this?

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Post by postalcoder »

irishcoffee wrote: post #206
postalcoder wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t have an opinion on him, despite the suggestiveness of my comment. He’s more illustrative of a spirit that Disney at a time did not have an appetite for.

Pat Mcafee catching strays (He has had his show for ~6 years) but Screamin' A Smith gets a pass? Your bias is showing.

Stephen A Smith has done as much to harm ESPN's brand than any other figure. Please don't assume my biases from whom I failed to mention – I could have used SAS instead of Pat and my point would have been the same.

Perhaps I should have expected that the conversation would get pulled this way but it's not where I wanted it to go.

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Post by s1mplicissimus »

Y_Y wrote: post #177
jerf wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"there were certain historical characters removed from Sora 2 because people kept making racist videos that are hard to censor, and it became increasingly unhinged" Also Google "Elsagate" to see what sorts of things people would like to do with Disney characters. Or a YouTube search for Elsagate. The other thing I'd point out is that people kind of seem to forget this, but it isn't a requirement that AI video be gene…

Don't use a cucumber if you're going to be subtracting the green screen

i assumed it was the egg plant, guess i'm getting old

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Post by dfedbeef »

shadowgovt wrote: post #163

For everyone concerned about the AI systems being trained on copyrighted material: this was always the end-game of that argument. Once the technology was proven out to be useful, someone with a huge IP portfolio was going to slam that portfolio directly into the training data to get their own copyright-unencumbered AI.

Copyright unencumbered... For their own characters?? Why would they need clearance to generate things trained on their data.
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