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Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by pbalau »

zug_zug wrote: post #196
reissbaker wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrorism doesn't mean "anything that makes someone scared," or else all wars would be acts of terrorism. There isn't a universally agreed upon definition, but generally it refers to targeting non-combatants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism For example, when the Allies tried to assassinate Hitler with a smuggled briefcase bomb during WW2, that wasn't terrorism: that was just regular warfare. Hitler was the le…

So you're arguing if the US declared war on Venezuela, that Venezuela could just use a drone to blow up the US president and that's just how war should work from now on? Because it's only a matter of years until drones get small and stealthy enough that nobody is safe; exploding pagers are a clear first step in this direction.

If US and Venezuela are in a state of war, then the head of the US Armed Forces is a legitimate target.

Not sure why you have doubts about this.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by TimorousBestie »

SpitSalute wrote: post #206
jseip wrote: post #171

"please verify that you're feeling something different—quite different—from anger and a desire to fight this war." Um, why is it inappropriate to be outraged that international humanitarian lwas are actively being violated by Israel, in Gaza?

I don't think they're saying it's inappropriate. It seems like they're saying this isn't the place to share your outrage.

Inappropriate and “this isn’t the place” are synonyms.

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Post by thereisnospork »

zug_zug wrote: post #196
reissbaker wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrorism doesn't mean "anything that makes someone scared," or else all wars would be acts of terrorism. There isn't a universally agreed upon definition, but generally it refers to targeting non-combatants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism For example, when the Allies tried to assassinate Hitler with a smuggled briefcase bomb during WW2, that wasn't terrorism: that was just regular warfare. Hitler was the le…

So you're arguing if the US declared war on Venezuela, that Venezuela could just use a drone to blow up the US president and that's just how war should work from now on? Because it's only a matter of years until drones get small and stealthy enough that nobody is safe; exploding pagers are a clear first step in this direction.

I mean of course they could, and should[0] how is that a question?

[0] Shouldn't - classic example of a tactical win being a strategic blunder. Killing the American president and would solidify American public support for the war - which would probably be undesirable in the balance.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by ebbi »

Dig1t wrote: post #204

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According to many US politicians, it's a thing to celebrate (Fetterman stands out as one, having received a golden pager from an Israeli official).

And the mildly veiled threats on social media to people speaking out about Palestine referencing the pager attacks that goes unpunished by social media platforms.

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Post by beedeebeedee »

TimorousBestie wrote: post #198
beedeebeedee wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are no useful discussion to be had on such topics I think there are useful discussions to be had on these topics, and in fact, we must have those discussions. The issue is that, if we want to do so productively and a comment section is the only venue for us to speak to each other, then we must be extremely patient with others and ourselves and reflect on what they say and what we say (i.e., discuss in good fa…

You might believe there are useful discussions to be had, but when a faction of readers like the GP flag or downvote every thread they don’t like, then it’s impossible to have any conversation, no matter how much good faith is brought to bear. Manually appealing to dang for unflagging is not a workable solution either. This really is an entirely unsuitable forum for this discussion.

It shouldn't be the case that people acting in bad faith can disrupt meaningful discussion between people acting in good faith. I am at a loss to suggest a better forum. Town halls, protests, talking to people on the street, Congress, etc, are not able to have these discussions either.

Maybe this is not the forum, but then what is? A philosophy class you took ten years ago?

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Post by dundarious »

joecool1029 wrote: post #119

So, what exactly did Palantir provide? I'm staying out of commenting whether or not this was legal/justified and asking strictly what service this was that was sold. Is this like, live location information provided from social media/carriers/etc? Is it AI guessing who might be a target based on collected data? EDIT: I ask because this sort of claim could just be marketing on Panantir's end and the quotes and this pos…

I believe 972mag.com have reported on Palentir tech involved in the "AI target selection" programs that the Israeli military has used in Gaza. My recollection is they use a logic similar to the subprime ratings agency scandal: collate info on individuals (cell tower proximity, movement patterns, social media leanings), and find the top 5% of target candidates, call those "high quality" regardless of any absolute metric of quality, and then rubber-stamp approve air strikes on their homes by the human lawyers "in the loop" -- then repeat with the next top 5% and call those "high quality" again. The implication was that Palentir worked on the ranking system itself. (The 5% is arbitrary here, a stand-in for whatever top slice they do use)

There are a couple such systems, and I am speaking without the ability to take the time right now to find those articles to confirm/counter my recollections, so consider this a prompt for a proper review -- ironic.

This comment may be a good stepping stone: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46222724

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by toomanyrichies »

asadm wrote: post #132
jjk166 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would that be "Do all evil" or "Do exclusively evil" or "Do no good"?

Do Evil, Yes!

Was this by chance a "No, money down!" Simpsons reference?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yuL6PcgSgM

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