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Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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What's wrong with Fraktur?

Fraktur is often associated with the German far right, because it's a mostly German thing that nationalists can hang on to. Funnily enough, it was Goebbels who banned it and required everyone to change to Latin scripts.

Got to hand it to them - Fraktur is an annoying font. It looks cool, though.

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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Leaders and typefaces: In 1941 Adolf Hitler personally gave order to make the use of the Antiqua mandatory and forbade the use of Fraktur and Schwabacher typefaces. https://ligaturix.de/bormann.htm

Forgive my ignorance but this seems to be one of the most neutral things Hitler did. He just didn't like the font so he ordered it to be changed. Equivalent to your boss ordering tabs be used instead of spaces. After the war was lost the arguments just continued. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiqua%E2%80%93Fraktur_disput...

I tend to agree with you, many people are passionate about typefaces, and dictators are no exception. [Passion about typeface] seems to be a low-signal detector for dictators. I'm passionate about lasagna, and I'll bet Mussolini was too -- but that probably doesn't mean I'm a fascist.

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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Leaders and typefaces: In 1941 Adolf Hitler personally gave order to make the use of the Antiqua mandatory and forbade the use of Fraktur and Schwabacher typefaces. https://ligaturix.de/bormann.htm

Forgive my ignorance but this seems to be one of the most neutral things Hitler did. He just didn't like the font so he ordered it to be changed. Equivalent to your boss ordering tabs be used instead of spaces. After the war was lost the arguments just continued. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiqua%E2%80%93Fraktur_disput...

Yeah it was so the occupied peoples could read the edicts better. Sp perhaps not so neutral, after all.

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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  > calling his predecessor Antony Blinken's decision to adopt Calibri a "wasteful" diversity move,
  
  > The department under Blinken in early January 2023 had switched to Calibri, a modern sans-serif font,
  > saying this was a more accessible font for people with disabilities
Man, helping disabled people is so woke. Who was the woke politician who made the government support disabled americans?

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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post #33

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Aptos has been the default font for Microsoft Word since 2023.

With all the fanfare made over Calibri back when it was announced, TIL about Aptos

I enjoyed the argument that this is going to open up a new time point for digital forensics. Many people have doctored documents pretending to have made them in the past. Except they did not realize that the vintage software used font X, but the modern default is now Y. There have been a few court cases where essentially someone is able to say, “This font is clearly Calibri which did not exist at the time this document was supposedly printed.”

If you are a Deep Space 9 fan, this is where you get to scream, “It’s a fake!!!”

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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Times New Roman is an old perspective. It’s all part of Trump’s plan to take America back to 1950 and pretend 2050 isn’t coming up.

From the article: > The department under Blinken in early January 2023 had switched to Calibri

Times New Roman existed in 1950. Your comment does not in ANY way contest the parent comment.

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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Leaders and typefaces: In 1941 Adolf Hitler personally gave order to make the use of the Antiqua mandatory and forbade the use of Fraktur and Schwabacher typefaces. https://ligaturix.de/bormann.htm

Fascism relies on politicisation of aesthetic

How is that downvoted? You can’t seriously disagree?

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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As pitiful as the last guy, apparently? As the article says, the decision to switch to Calibri in the first place came directly from Blinken. (I try not to get into anti-anti-Trump discourse, but getting worked up about fonts seems counterproductive to me.)

Neither of these decisions likely originated with the SoS themselves. I say the reasoning matters, though. You can try to avoid the discourse, but if you're American then you're in it. This administration is destroying the country for many reasons: profit, hatred of democracy, racism, control. And FWIW, it's the current administration foaming at the mouth about a font change, not the last one. In this case, the decis…

"Woke" is not, in fact, their words. The source article doesn't quote Rubio as saying "woke". The NY Times coverage (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/09/us/politics/rubio-state-d...) goes into a lot more detail than Reuters, as is typical; they don't publish the full text of the order (IIUC this is common to protect sources), but they say Rubio cited a number of coordination and messaging issues, along with a metric of document accessibility requests which he says did not decrease in the Calibri era.

Again, I say this not to nitpick or to dispute that it's kinda silly, but to emphasize that this is a provocation you shouldn't and don't need to rise to. The State Department's font choices do not matter, and it will not hurt anyone nor create a bad permission structure if they use Times New Roman. The only possible way this story could become even a tiny bit consequential is if Democrats take the bait and radicalize against serifs.

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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Leaders and typefaces: In 1941 Adolf Hitler personally gave order to make the use of the Antiqua mandatory and forbade the use of Fraktur and Schwabacher typefaces. https://ligaturix.de/bormann.htm

If you read the article, Calibri usage was instituted during the Biden administration. So, there's probably a diversity of government styles that get involved with typefaces.

Calibri is designed for screen use and Times New Roman for printing. As usually, there is a practical option and conservative option.

But stakes are quite low here. Some bureaucrats will have nearly undetectably harder time to read Trump speaches

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