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Re: Icons in Menus Everywhere – Send Help

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post #174

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So the rule of thumb is that: if the pictogram is always same, then as in Shannon's model, it conveys no information, and thus is decorative. Discard it. One of first programs that put pictograms in menus was Microsoft Word. But the way Word did it was entirely different from what we do now. Microsoft Word had toolbars and their buttons, of course, were mostly pictorial. Toolbars could be turned on and off and users…

> thus is decorative. Discard it. Or keep it since decoration makes interfaces feel more alive. Not everything NEEDS to be useful

Menus should not feel alive. Because they are menus, at any given point they mostly contain things the user does not want to interact with right now. Menu icons that serve as visual anchors are good, they help the task of finding the desired action, as well as building a visual memory. Icons everywhere achieve the opposite, for the spurious benefit of visual consistency. Menu items are not consistent affordances, they perform very different actions that are at best related, but oftentimes they are there because they need to be somewhere.

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post #9

I always took it as a plus for soft internationalization, e.g. we may not have translated or localized to the current user language, but icons area decent generic hint.

It's also very useful if you're dealing with both English and local language versions of the same software, as translations aren't always 1:1, but icons generally are.

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Designer here. I agree that sometimes there is an over-emphasis of sticking to the rule of icon - title (if it's already been defined) and finding icons for features that are very hard to describe through a simple pictogram, thus leading to non-helpful visual cues for menus and menu items. But, icons to me has never been about being a perfect encapsulation of the meaning of the feature, it's more of a visual anchor,…

I do like how in some MacOS examples we see icons for some of the more important or commonly used menu items, but not the others in the same list. The absence of icons has meaning ("it's likely not what you want")

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post #201

I think visual signs are an amazing way to impart immediate information at a glance. Take road signs for example, at speed I can know what to expect around the corner. However it is another language to learn and as such needs standardisation to be useful. If I go to another country and start driving the road symbols mean something else. Its the same in the GUI. The symbols should allow me to move quicker around the i…

> However it is another language to learn and as such needs standardisation to be useful. If I go to another country and start driving the road symbols mean something else.

A lot of countries seem to standardise on similar signs. I have not had a difficulty driving in different countries and visiting more.

Cars are even more standardised. The controls vary very little.

There is a definitely problem with GUIs and the problem seems to be aesthetics and branding trump function.

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post #180

This is just rage bait or comment bait. Anyone who designs UI for the real world already knows people barely read text, and an icon is worth a thousand words. Also results in less cognitive fatigue.

Without text can you 100% decipher what each icon in this dropdown menu means and which one you need to pick for the action? https://imgur.com/a/sTycBjc

They didn't say to have no text, they just said icons are still helpful.

Re: Icons in Menus Everywhere – Send Help

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post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> thus is decorative. Discard it. Or keep it since decoration makes interfaces feel more alive. Not everything NEEDS to be useful

Everything in a UI needs to not hinder usefulness. Adding more information signals (icons) which don't actually convey meaning is clutter that makes the UI harder to parse. That factor is far more important than whether it feels "alive".

Redundancy isn't a dirty word in Information Theory.

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Back in the day MS office applications had toolbars (instead of ribbon)

Toolbars could be customized. You could select any item from any menu and place it on toolbar for quick access. So unique icons for every menu option were useful.

Even now i think MS office has a quick access toolbar on top that can be customized that way. Tad limited.

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post #201

I think visual signs are an amazing way to impart immediate information at a glance. Take road signs for example, at speed I can know what to expect around the corner. However it is another language to learn and as such needs standardisation to be useful. If I go to another country and start driving the road symbols mean something else. Its the same in the GUI. The symbols should allow me to move quicker around the i…

Even cut copy paste are not used consistently.

In many AI chatbots ..i see the "paste" icon used for the function of "copy"

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