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Post by Paradigm2020 »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #44
detritus wrote: post #13

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eh, I was a Smartphone ‘it's gotta have a keyboard!’ hold-out too, but I've long-since embraced the Swype or whatever it's called, style of input. It's fine enough for 90% of my engagement with the internet via a phone. Anything more in depth I'm on a computer with a physical keyboard anyway. But yes, the N900 was pre-slidey-smartphone peak brilliance.

Likewise; I had an N900, and I loved the idea of a physical keyboard, but now I figure I can pocket a folding keyboard for that. What I would like is apps to pervasively support a keyboard. For instance, in most Android messaging apps, you can't even press "enter" to send a message, so if you want to use a physical keyboard, you have to type the message and then poke the screen to send.

Just turn on the option in signal and convert all the people you chat with signal. Simple.

(Simple != easy ;))

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

abnercoimbre wrote: post #12

> Entering other markets, such as the U.S. and Canada are to be decided due course based on potential interest from the areas. As an American, I will order this phone as soon as it’s available to me! I’m not aware of any similar option for us at the moment so I’m a little sad.

The practicality of that may depend on the exact details of the modem. For example, I believe it's possible to get a fairphone in the US, but last I checked it was a poor choice because it had awful support for cell frequencies actually in use. This lists "global roaming modem configuration" which may mean that it has good coverage, but... it also might not.

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

fsflover wrote: post #207
getpokedagain wrote: post #46

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Am I the only one who just feels burnt out on these type of projects? We have a plethora of raspberry pi and other arm mobile developer kits that all just fail to deliver. They make great pet projects but fail at what most mobile phones do great which is provide a computer I can reliably and safely take with me in life. This pilet thing has 7 hours of battery life, is huge and will probably explode if I put it in my…

> and other arm mobile developer kits that all just fail to deliver Librem 5 and Pinephone didn't fail to deliver.

The next sentence, which I read as the rest of the thought, was

> They make great pet projects but fail at what most mobile phones do great which is provide a computer I can reliably and safely take with me in life.

And I can't speak to the Librem 5, but the I'd say the pinephone did in fact fail to deliver a reliable daily driver, remaining merely a pet project full of rough edges.

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Post by Nifty3929 »

fsflover wrote: post #206
stackedinserter wrote: post #172

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I mean since it's linux phone with (hopefully) open architecture, it should be possible to create an external usb device that exposes any functionality. Like, to keep core functionality simple and open it for extensions ("extra battery", "knobs and switches", "ethernet" etc)

But if it does not really cut the power to hardware components, how will you trust that it turns your mic off?

Yes, this is what I'm getting at. I want to KNOW that the function is off, and that nothing can turn it back on except a physical action by me.

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Post by MBCook »

burningChrome wrote: post #164
crossroadsguy wrote: post #126

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I had iPhone 12 Mini and then 14 and now 17. I can't practically tell the difference except for battery life, weight, and size.

It will be pretty imperceivable when you stay within the same ecosystem. If you went from your 17 and then went to a mid tier phone like a Samsung A71, you would notice a difference. Display is something I for sure started paying attention to when I was jumping back and forth between Android and Apple when I went from my OnePlus to Apple and then to Samsung noticed differences.

Small improvements add up.

If GP picked up that 12 again, they’d notice.

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Post by MBCook »

dijit wrote: post #94
jeffbee wrote: post #92

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You know what, that is exactly what Lenovo executives were telling their customers right up until the moment that Apple released Retina devices. Lenovo swore in a blog post that because of the overall panel market it was quite impossible to put an IPS display in a laptop, then a few days later Apple released a 221 DPI 15" IPS MacBook Pro.

Apple definitely has the grunt I'm talking about to push the supply chain to change.

And Lenovo doesn’t?

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Post by MBCook »

boznz wrote: post #160
nikanj wrote: post #88

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Every now and then some phone manufacturer mistakes online sentiment for actual demand and gets burned making a mini phone that won’t sell

Only Apple would consider selling millions, but not tens of millions a failure.

Right. We don’t know that Apple didn’t make money. Only that they didn’t make enough money. By whatever definition they used.

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Post by MBCook »

monerozcash wrote: post #45
joecool1029 wrote: post #22

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> As an American, I will order this phone as soon as it’s available to me! It won’t be. From the time of their first phone the company actively made the choice to not support the US market. There’s the obvious spectrum difference and cost to certify, but the real reason they don’t want to touch it is litigation risk on patents and whatnot.

Even if it's not sold in America, you might still be able to buy it and use it, how well that'll work depends on the spectrum compatibility of course.

This seems like the bigger problem to me the kind of people who are interested in this phone seem like the same kind of people who would be perfectly happy to order it from Europe or Asia.

I don’t think many people who really want this are the kind of people who just walk into a cell phone store and buy whatever tickles their fancy.

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Post by drenobel »

jeffbee wrote: post #154
pessimizer wrote: post #119

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You probably never used Maemo, whose UI (and also Palm's WebOS UI) were ripped off for later versions of Android and iOS, which wasn't even multitasking yet. Literally hired the same people to do them. Jolla started with the FOSS parts of Maemo but went proprietary. If Nokia hadn't been intentionally destroyed by its board in a romance with Microsoft cash, through a Canadian snake, Maemo would have been a real conten…

Again, starting from elements of Maemo is a surefire way to ship a ghastly user experience. The N800 that I still own had the most hostile UI of any device I ever bought with my own money. The reason it flopped was because it is really bad, not a great conspiracy. Look at the TODOs for Maemo Leste, which you just referenced. "Phone calls should work, with audio, when alsamixer is set up properly". That is F-tier user…

Two words: Nokia N9.
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