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Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 »

aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

I think the real question is: what are you doing to make it less painful? Full disclosure, chatgpt has a lot on me, but I am using to this time to prep nice local build. It has gotten really nice and current crop of machines with ai395 got really nice ( I almost wrote a short page over how easy it was compared to only few years back ).

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Post by ethmarks »

swexbe wrote: post #153
android521 wrote: post #109

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The answer is friction. What % of this billion of users will bother to export their chat history (which is already a lot) and import another another llm. That number is too small to matter.

All chat apps look exactly the same and have exactly the same features. The friction is basically non-existent compared to email services, social media, web browsers, &c.

I think it matters to more than you might think. A significant portion of the non-technical ChatGPT userbase get really attached to the model flavor.

The GPT-4o controversy is a good example. People got attached to 4o's emotional and enthusiastic response style. When GPT-5--which was much more terse and practical--rolled out, people got really upset because they were treating ChatGPT as a confident and friend, and were upset when it's personality changed.

In my experience, Gemini and Claude are much more helpful and terse than ChatGPT with less conversational padding. I can imagine that the people who value that conversational padding would have a similar reaction to Gemini or Claude as they did to GPT-5.

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Post by astura »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #140
monooso wrote: post #133

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Not sure why you're being downvoted. At least you provided a source for your comment, unlike GP.

I agree. My only source was from personal experience. I saw the ads, myself, and remember when it changed. I think that the article may be a bit of "damage control." Gave it a +1.

So because of an advertisement you might have seen 40 years ago you made up a major funding source out of whole cloth?

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Post by aurareturn »

swexbe wrote: post #144
aurareturn wrote: post #136

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No one normal will do that. And I'm betting that OpenAI will get rid of that functionality soon.

Just like no one normal would ever switch from internet explorer?

Browsers made it easy to import/export bookmarks and history.

You don't see Instagram willingly giving up all their data on users to Tiktok right?

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Post by JKCalhoun »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #20

If you're not paying for a product (the full price), then you are the product. If you're not paying for the product, and you aren't the product, you're in the start-up phase and just eating the bait. And man, people have been eating a lot of bait.

These days it's no surprise when you are both paying for the product and are the product as well.

A lot of us learned this when cable television arrived—you paid for it, but no commercials…until there were.

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Post by muglug »

RobotToaster wrote: post #34
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 1980s, the American Heart Association listed many contributors to heart disease. A missing one: smoking. At some point, it was revealed that Big Tobacco was a major contributor to the AHA. They now list tobacco as a big risk factor.

"friends of the earth" was originally funded by the oil CEO Robert Anderson to oppose nuclear power.

This claim is meritless — FOE’s wiki talk page has a comment at the end debunking the accusation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Friends_of_the_Earth

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Post by aurareturn »

chroma205 wrote: post #190
android521 wrote: post #109

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The answer is friction. What % of this billion of users will bother to export their chat history (which is already a lot) and import another another llm. That number is too small to matter.

> The answer is friction. Yet non-technical users switched from Edge/Safari to Google Chrome.

Because there is no data in a browser.

Even if there is, browsers made it easy to import/export bookmarks and history.

You don't see Instagram willingly giving up all their data on users to Tiktok right?

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Post by aurareturn »

swexbe wrote: post #153
android521 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer is friction. What % of this billion of users will bother to export their chat history (which is already a lot) and import another another llm. That number is too small to matter.

All chat apps look exactly the same and have exactly the same features. The friction is basically non-existent compared to email services, social media, web browsers, &c.

Yet, somehow I've been paying $20/month to ChatGPT for years now and I don't use Claude or Gemini even when they're free or have slightly better models.

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Post by nerdponx »

designerarvid wrote: post #29
everdrive wrote: post #9

This outcome was obvious. If you really let yourself rely on an LLM, it will steer you towards what its owners want; products and services provided by advertisers, the "right" social and moral values, etc. It will even "accidentally" steer you towards its own inflections and ways of thinking. This is one isn't overtly malicious, but is still insidious. Do these companies get to standardize thinking and speaking just…

Sure, but there’s also market competition. As long as the switching costs are low the preference of the market will steer the suppliers.

You underestimate the power of brand recognition and the first mover advantage associated with it.

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Post by gldrk »

jsheard wrote: post #69
01284a7e wrote: post #12

Free, and open source models. Now and forever.

The problem is that training a free and open source model costs just as much as training a closed one, but has even fewer potential avenues for recouping that investment. The money still has to come from somewhere. I'm not sure if open weights are immune to being compromised by ads anyway, they can't serve pay-per-impression ads on the output side, but there's nothing stopping the creator from accepting funding in ex…

Just wait until someone leaks an internal SOTA model. Would be deeply ironic given how much AI robber barons ‘respect’ others’ copyright and trade secrets.
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