KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

Post by dmit » Thu, Nov 27, 2025, 1:12 PM UTC

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And KDE on X11 on FreeBSD seems pretty stable so far. Feels super snappy so far.

It is yes! It's great. What I like about FreeBSD is the decoupling of packages and OS. You can have a stable OS version but still have rolling packages. Somehow most Linux distros can't manage that. I also like that I don't constantly have to learn new stuff like the new ip commands or systemd. It just works. Oh and ZFS on root as a first class citizen is amazing of course.

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Post by atherton94027 » Thu, Nov 27, 2025, 3:02 PM UTC

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If your system is already running malware, why wouldn't the malware use a privilege escalation exploit (which are relatively numerous on linux) to access your data rather than some X11 flaw which depends on their code getting started by the user?

Because it's not an x11 "flaw" or exploit, it's just how X works. I also just don't buy the whole "well other stuff has exploits too" mentality. I mean, yeah, it does, maybe. So why bother creating a password to a service if their database is probably running Linux anyway and the rdbms is probably compromised and yadda yadda yadda. It's the kind of argument you can make for anything. Also no - privilege escalation is…

Post by gary_0 » Thu, Nov 27, 2025, 3:07 PM UTC

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While Wayland has kind of been a disaster I disagree with your premise. > 1. Security Linux (and Unix before it) has always had security mechanisms built in. File permissions, setuid bits, namespaces. Any old program shouldn't be able to access /etc/passwd, and likewise the ` ` in my browser should be protected. Wayland's problem isn't that it tried to add security, but that the design and development process went ho…

> My uneducated guess at why Wayland failed to succeed is that it went for extreme modularity and refused to say (back in like 2009) "Here's the security mechanism everyone has to use to take screenshots, etc. If this breaks your spacebar heater, sucks to be you." I tend to agree. I have long attributed the mess that is wayland-protocols in large part to the fact that they didn’t define a security mechanism or permis…

Post by gary_0 » Thu, Nov 27, 2025, 3:17 PM UTC

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I will build or buy an IP-based kvm that plugs into my hdmi port and has passthrough for the local monitor before I use GNOME. I used GNOME for many years, but nearly every UX decision they have made in the past 20 years has been the polar opposite of my desires. I have come to the conclusion that the developers in the GNOME project don't want me using their software and I'm happy to oblige them.

I’m a pro user with over two decades of experience, I don’t use Gnome all the time (I prefer Sway these days), but I’m all-in for having a nice DE that would embrace regular people with its simplicity. IMO Gnome does that very well. Yet, I am, as a pro-user can use that almost as good as I use my sway desktop. At home, our shared guest room computer runs default Fedora, and I don’t feel any limitations with it (it ha…

Post by wltr » Thu, Nov 27, 2025, 4:44 PM UTC

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I’m a pro user with over two decades of experience, I don’t use Gnome all the time (I prefer Sway these days), but I’m all-in for having a nice DE that would embrace regular people with its simplicity. IMO Gnome does that very well. Yet, I am, as a pro-user can use that almost as good as I use my sway desktop. At home, our shared guest room computer runs default Fedora, and I don’t feel any limitations with it (it ha…

> a nice DE that would embrace regular people Then you want something that directly copies Windows. Gnome doesn't do that; it very much does its own thing, which confuses regular people who typically just want an unenshittified Windows.