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Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by rincebrain »

satvikpendem wrote: post #187
ckozlowski wrote: post #45

This Microsoft response reminds me of the 2018 Blizzcon event, where the Diablo Immortal developer challenged the audience with "Do you guys not have phones?" when the audience asked if the game was coming to PC. Then - like now - it seemed that they couldn't understand that what they made was not what their customers wanted.

And yet Diablo Immortal made about a billion dollars, orders of magnitude more than the other Diablo games combined. Sound like they knew exactly what their customers wanted. https://mobilegamer.biz/three-years-after-a-fiery-launch-dia...

The nuance there, I think, is that over half the players are reportedly new to the Diablo games, which suggests that their primary intended market was likely not existing Diablo players.

The core kernel of it always seemed, to me, to be an extension of the Diablo 3 RMT auction house idea - they wanted a recurring revenue source from a franchise where traditionally they were not charging one, and in this case, they squared that circle by appealing to users who were not existing players, and so did not have those norms in mind.

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Post by willis936 »

Vespasian wrote: post #175
willis936 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They only understand one thing: shareholder value. This dude's panicking because he knows how bad the next quarterly report looks when this strategy resulted in a hemorrhaging userbase. This is an expression of a stage of grief.

But it won't will it? They can essentially force users to receive and pay for any of their AI features. It worked so far and there is no reason to believe it will stop working anytime soon. People are just taking it and this guy knows it. The fact that I and a few others don't, doesn't even register in Microsofts bottom line. The lesson learned is that you don't really have to care about your users right now. I'm cer…

Of course it registers. You wouldn't have a CEO putting out panicked outbursts otherwise.

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Post by lm28469 »

hifix wrote: post #5

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

I'm less weary of people not giving a shit about it than people making llms/generative ai their whole personality

Grown adults spamming the web about this new model from Megacorp X, being all giggly about the new PeLiCaN On A BiCyClE being 0.000017% more realistic than the previous version... get a life

No one gives a shit outside of these nerds, all people want is less work and more free time, they don't give a shit about your generated "art", or how fast this new model solved a problem they didn't know existed 12 seconds ago

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Post by moribvndvs »

“Why people don’t trust a black box–owned and operated by an increasingly untrustworthy and incompetent organization, with a clear and vested interest in extracting and selling information about its users– with access to all their files and activity is mind-blowing to me” says corporate executive equivalent of a used car salesman.

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Post by pndy »

Grimblewald wrote: post #148
SoftTalker wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the fundamental misunderstanding that the AI techies have. Normal people don’t want a “conversation“ with a computer. Conversations happen between people. Computers, at best, receive orders and carry them out. They are tools, not companions, and they should do nothing unless explicitly told to do it.

I wouldnt mind if the conversations actually were smart, not sycophantic, or were otherwise useful. I find more often than not it creates more work for me than it saves me, and even if i were to break even on time invested i lose massively on comprehension/understanding.

I'd rather see this technology being used as a method of input and control of the machine, just like keyboard, mouse and monitor is. Without humanized bits of conversation or suggestions, exaggerated remarks like "Got it!" - you would ask OS to preform a task and it would do what was told. And if I'd want to have a specific question or task I'd use some dedicated application that would stay dormant up until used.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by Krssst »

ckozlowski wrote: post #45

This Microsoft response reminds me of the 2018 Blizzcon event, where the Diablo Immortal developer challenged the audience with "Do you guys not have phones?" when the audience asked if the game was coming to PC. Then - like now - it seemed that they couldn't understand that what they made was not what their customers wanted.

At the time I got the feeling that the presenter got the genuine impression that players would at least not be completely disappointed by the announcement.

Here it's hard to understand Microsoft's surprise when almost everything Windows has done for the last ten years was despised by mostly everyone. I was thinking that decision makers knew they were making unpopular moves but did not care since there's no way Windows can lose market share. I assume he must be faking surprise, but I am not sure for what purpose since staying silent and going forward would have had less press. Well I guess bad publicity is still publicity.

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Post by netsharc »

thedelanyo wrote: post #85

Ai basically kills human creativity.

Cognitive offloading: https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4698/15/1/6

Just like using calculator or Excel, I think overuse will really dull our minds, we'd end up preferring not waste our mind thinking about a problem but just throw it at the "simulated intelligence". I wonder where that'll take us.

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Post by monegator »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #181
SoftTalker wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the fundamental misunderstanding that the AI techies have. Normal people don’t want a “conversation“ with a computer. Conversations happen between people. Computers, at best, receive orders and carry them out. They are tools, not companions, and they should do nothing unless explicitly told to do it.

Normal people don’t want a “conversation“ with a computer. Perhaps, but there is absolutely a subset of the population who uses AI as a human companion.

And that is a big problem. Other than making me excessingly mad, it is genuinely a problem that people who should work on overcoming social issues instead get their fix from fictional interaction

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Post by monegator »

Saris wrote: post #59
hifix wrote: post #5

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

I would be impressed if AI was actually 'super smart' but what we have now is not.

Yeah, too many people conflate intelligence with notionism

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by kyriakos »

ewoodrich wrote: post #121
slowmovintarget wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AI failed at Microsoft... Let's be fair. Microsoft has not succeeded at mainstream consumer AI products... yet. To say AI failed at Micrsoft when CoPilot (the real one, for developers) was, last I heard, the most subscribed generative AI tool for software developers is not a failure. It's wild that most developers in a corporate environment pay Microsoft to use Chat GPT, Gemini, and Claude. Their other gen-AI compo…

> It's wild that most developers in a corporate environment pay Microsoft to use Chat GPT, Gemini, and Claude It definitely didn't help back when my manager asked me to recommend a subscription to buy everyone on our team that Anthropic didn't offer any plan with a predictable monthly cost for Claude Code with SSO/externally managed billing (I think that changed fairly recently). Github Copilot for Business with an e…

That's because Microsoft understands business while it fails at private customers
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