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Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by M95D »

luke727 wrote: post #150
ChicagoDave wrote: post #127

Microsoft has gone full-blown evil corporation again. No customer validation on any of the AI cruft. No full OPT OUT. Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. I've been a Windows user from day one and I now see a future without it. Satya had been a bright spot in Microsoft, but this blind lust for AI, especially in bed with Altman who is pure con artist, is unforgivable. Some of the investment…

> Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. They put copilot in notepad. NOTEPAD.

That's not Notepad. They may call it Notepad, but it isn't.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by tacker2000 »

And people are wondering why users are getting wary of updating their systems… seriously?

Every update bloats the system, resets settings and puts more AI bullshit on there.

Whats the benefit of updates? And dont tell me “security”, I dont care, I just want to use my computer without any hassle or bloat.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by hulitu »

xp84 wrote: post #56
xzjis wrote: post #14

Mmh, I've always wanted my gaming PC to run a useless background agent to eat up CPU cycles that could have been used for my game. Oh well, if I didn't want that, I could just consider using a Steam Machine, which Valve just announced.

Isn't this opt-in? How does this hurt you?

> Isn't this opt-in? How does this hurt you?

Thanks. Added to canonical list of "Famous last words". /s

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by Zardoz84 »

makeitdouble wrote: post #152
a2128 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of money lost when millions of small restaurants and other retail shops suddenly become unable to accept customer payments for an unknown amount of time because Microsoft thinks Windows should force update during rush hour rather than allowing the computer owner to wait until closing time, would seem to be far greater than the amount of money lost with once-in-10-years WannaCry attacks

Don't you get out of forced updates if you set yourself regural update point ? (e.g. every Sunday night) Most users, for better or worse, don't want any update ever, unless they wish for a specific feature. We're at a state where there's only once-in-10-years massive attacks exactly because of mandatory security updates that will be forced on the user if they have no intention to install it ever.

You can update without locking the computer. You know... like is done in Linux for a very long time. I have a nice memory of doing a full update of Kubuntu to the next version at the same time that I was playing a AAA game without issues or interruptions.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by shakna »

beeflet wrote: post #67
tapper wrote: post #2

I can't tell you how mutch I don't want this! I know there will be some smart arse out there saying "Just install Linux" Pleas don't I have to use a screenreader called NVDA to read the screen to me as I am blind. There is a screen reader in Linux but it just is not that good. If it was better then I would think about it. I have tried!

Maybe you could try to figure out linux TUI/CLI stuff with a braille terminal? May not help with some websites. NVDA looks like it is open source, it shouldn't be too hard to port.

> NVDA looks like it is open source, it shouldn't be too hard to port.

Yup. Just gotta invent a Win32-compatible Wayland first. This... Is sorta a "whole fucking owl" moment.

> As explained above NVDA relies heavily on Windows specific API's and cannot be converted to run under Unix based systems without a lot of work. Given how small NVDA development team is spending time on making NVDA work under Linux at a level at which Orca works currently would take years and mean much less development for the version for Windows. In short the more reasonable course of action is to spend time on improving Orca or other Linux screen readers rather than porting (which in practice would mean almost rewriting from scratch) NVDA to run under a non Windows system. [1]

Accessibility in Wayland is still in staging. [0] There is not the APIs you need, to port anything to using them.

X-Windows only supports Class 1 info over AAC. Class 2 was only ever semi-implemented, and is the more important class of information for the user. You basically need an Optacon, and too bad if you don't want tactile.

NVDA does work under Wine! But only with well-behaving programs running under Wine. It won't work for the rest of the system.

Gnome's Orca only works with Gnome-aware apps. It is supposed to work with Plasma for KDE things, but its a dice roll. It works with Firefox, Chrome, etc, because they go out of their way to make accessibility work better.

But Orca is about half as decent as JAWS or NVDA. Its a step ten years backwards.

Voxin (paid) used to work well, but seems to now be unmaintained. Certs expired, no updates for two years, etc.

[0] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mwcampbell/wayland-protocols/...

[1] https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13196

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by tpxl »

krige wrote: post #176
tapoxi wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://bazzite.gg/ Should work out of the box, no configuration needed. The only caveat is games with kernel based anti-cheat, but I don't play many of those. Arc Raiders works just fine, for example.

I'm sorry but linux gaming absolutely does not support "support everything from 90s to cutting edge modern games without hiccups" I'm sure for some users it's acceptable, solid even, but I know several people, including myself, that keep hitting edge cases and invisible walls when on Windows these games "just work". And no, it's not about kernel anti-cheats or any other DRM.

> I'm sorry but linux gaming absolutely does not support "support everything from 90s to cutting edge modern games without hiccups"

Neither does Windows. W11 (or was it W10) famously broke a bunch of old games. Running Windows games from the 90s is easier on linux than on Windows at this point.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by Zardoz84 »

luke727 wrote: post #150
ChicagoDave wrote: post #127

Microsoft has gone full-blown evil corporation again. No customer validation on any of the AI cruft. No full OPT OUT. Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. I've been a Windows user from day one and I now see a future without it. Satya had been a bright spot in Microsoft, but this blind lust for AI, especially in bed with Altman who is pure con artist, is unforgivable. Some of the investment…

> Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. They put copilot in notepad. NOTEPAD.

I found that the other day, in a co-worker computer ...

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by hnlmorg »

userbinator wrote: post #158
ChicagoDave wrote: post #127

Microsoft has gone full-blown evil corporation again. No customer validation on any of the AI cruft. No full OPT OUT. Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. I've been a Windows user from day one and I now see a future without it. Satya had been a bright spot in Microsoft, but this blind lust for AI, especially in bed with Altman who is pure con artist, is unforgivable. Some of the investment…

"again"? What they did in the past seems absolutely neighbourly compared to what they're doing now. Get a VM of Windows 9x/2k/XP to experience what "good Microsoft" was like.

> "again"? What they did in the past seems absolutely neighbourly compared to what they're doing now.

As someone who lived through Microsoft’s actions in the 90s, I really don’t agree with your sentiment there.

There’s a reason many of us old greybeards still refuse to use anything MS even 30 years later.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by tpxl »

testartr wrote: post #147
garbagewoman wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting that you see the sheer amount of criticism, week after week, and assume it must be bad faith by microsoft critics rather than bad faith by microsoft.

the critics always complain about what bad thing Microsoft will do in the future, rarely about what they are actually doing secureboot was supposedly an evil conspiracy to block running linux on computers. secureboot is everywhere now, and Linux still runs on personal computers

Except that one line of Microsoft PCs that only run Windows because secureboot enabled Microsoft to make it so.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by Springtime »

luke727 wrote: post #150
ChicagoDave wrote: post #127

Microsoft has gone full-blown evil corporation again. No customer validation on any of the AI cruft. No full OPT OUT. Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. I've been a Windows user from day one and I now see a future without it. Satya had been a bright spot in Microsoft, but this blind lust for AI, especially in bed with Altman who is pure con artist, is unforgivable. Some of the investment…

> Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. They put copilot in notepad. NOTEPAD.

And this W11 version of Notepad takes longer to open than Sublime Text and about equal to Firefox. On NVMe.

It used to be instant, which is something you really notice the difference with when it changes.

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