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Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Post by potato3732842 »

mothballed wrote: post #204
mrguyorama wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every combat soldier requires like 10 support soldiers doing things like logistics. Millions of people during WW2 did nothing but drive trucks. A lot of military burst capacity is about freeing up soldiers who went through all the training and basic and specialization, but are stuck driving that truck. The guys and gals who fire bullets are just the sharp point of the spear and all that. It's also why Russia balloone…

Light infantry on domestic terrain doesn't need anything like those sorts of ratios. Chechen militia in the first Chechen war defeated the Russians well enough to win independence without any sort of logistics ratio like that on the military side, as did the YPG light infantry that defeated ISIS and held off the Syrian military well enough that they basically truced or better. Higher ratios might be needed to project…

>Higher ratios might be needed to project power to outside borders

Or operate in an domestic environment where you do not have local support.

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Post by stackedinserter »

whynotmaybe wrote: post #185
outside1234 wrote: post #162

These people will just be "drone meat" and frankly this feels like a way to fake their NATO commitments.

How can it be fake if it's defense related spending?

Because it's one week "training".

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Post by gpm »

mplewis9z wrote: post #205
michaelt wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think "Nukes might fly overhead and end the world [...] but other than that we were safe" agrees that Canada would not thrive during a global thermonuclear war.

You very conveniently omitted the middle part of that quote: “... and end the world as they struck targets on either side”. That very clearly implies that nukes would not be targeted at Canada, which is laughably wrong. There are multiple significant military sites that are part of NORAD that would be primary targets, let alone major population centers that would be obliterated if it came to full-on Mutually-Assured-…

Pretty sure NORAD sites are mostly far north of our population centres. That sentence was referring to the the other side of us the citizens not "us" the land

Anyways, doesn't really matter if we're hit directly, we're all dead anyways in a nuclear war.

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Post by stackedinserter »

lukan wrote: post #112
stackedinserter wrote: post #75

> Federal and provincial employees would be given a one-week training course in how to handle firearms, drive trucks and fly drones What is the use of these "professionals"? I know russians send these substandard soldiers to meat grinder ("infiltration in small groups" tactics). If they're killed with ukrainian FPV drone, it's fine, at least AFU spent a drone. Is it what Canadians are planning to do?

It is simply raising the costs for any potential invasion. When a wannabe imperialist thinks, he can get something easy, he will take it. If he thinks, there will be unknown risks and costs .. he might not.

It will not raise any cost, these "soldiers" will pose zero threat.

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Post by neilv »

* The article speaks of this personnel like reservists, but could the training also apply to helping defend public infrastructure and institutions, where they work? (For example, if there ever be a need to quickly hand out firearms on-site, or if ever there was a need for random people to know how to observe and report threats?)

* Could this training be practice, before mass military training of most adult citizens?

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Post by potato3732842 »

naijaboiler wrote: post #186
palmotea wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So maybe he should'nt've have broken laws. Not give them anything to pursue. It's not so simple: 1) everybody breaks laws, and 2) in at least one case those laws were stretched and abused in unusual ways to specifically target him (his felony convictions, which unsurprisingly were immediately turned into an electoral attack). I'm not a Trump fan, but I'm not a Democratic partisan either, and I think that prosecutio…

No sir, everybody does not break laws. Only people who routinely do like Trump thinks everyone else is doing it. That’s why he’s so sure he can find cases against his perceived political enemies only to find out the in thing he can find is the woman bough a second home, which she indicated is a second home, and let her neice stay there. Only criminals think everyone else is a criminal

>No sir, everybody does not break laws.

Lol. You just haven't been scrutinized by government yet.

Also, FYI you're far, far, far better off having real deal criminal prosecutors coming after you trying to get you on a violation of real deal criminal laws because then you have real deal rights with tons of precedent backing them up and literally everyone in the system being trained on how not to violate them lest you get off. If the EPA, your local zoning code enforcer, the parking ticket people, the USDA, etc, etc. come after you you have basically no rights because it's theoretically a civil and not a criminal matter and these organizations are free to unilaterally run their process however unfairly they see fit limited only by what they feel exposes them to risk of politicians trying to reign them in (see also: everyone's complaints with ICE these days). Yeah they can mostly only fine you but if you don't pay (because you dispute) the whole system acts as a ratchet, they lien your house, etc, etc. and you inevitably wind up in court, but with none of the procedural and precedent protection because once again it's non-criminal.

Don't believe me? Try it.

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Post by dmoy »

stackedinserter wrote: post #203
imgabe wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone in the military should be trained with weapons. If it comes down to it, even the guy who mops the floors is going to need to pick up a rifle if the situation is dire enough. It helps if he held one before at least.

How much will you "train with weapons" in one week?

I mean.... enough to make shots on target at about 300-400 yards with a sling, and enough to make shots on target at about 50 yards while standing up.

I do competitive bullseye rifle, and I've done some basic marksmanship coaching. That's about what I'd expect for maybe 6-12 hours of total training on a rifle for someone with zero prior experience with guns.

The basics of rifles is very, very simple. In competition world we just get overly focused on stuff that doesn't matter - our benchmark is like 10/10 shots at 400 yards in an 8" circle. For someone getting basic instructions, 5/10 shots at 400 yards in a 16" circle is probably fine, and that is an order of magnitude easier to teach.

It took me like 3 hours from zero experience to get to that, and another 300+ hours to get to competitively decent at prone (I might be good now but I'm not particularly skilled so it took me a lot of practice). And we're not going to talk about standing because in the competition world what we do is so far removed from reality that it's not worth talking about in this context lol. Someone with run&gun experience can talk about that, I don't know anything about that.

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Post by cogogo »

nradov wrote: post #171
mrguyorama wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every combat soldier requires like 10 support soldiers doing things like logistics. Millions of people during WW2 did nothing but drive trucks. A lot of military burst capacity is about freeing up soldiers who went through all the training and basic and specialization, but are stuck driving that truck. The guys and gals who fire bullets are just the sharp point of the spear and all that. It's also why Russia balloone…

That's not how it works in any NATO military. Truck drivers and other logistics troops generally never went through any sort of advanced combat training. They can be retrained for another MOS with sufficient time but not quickly enough for any sort of crisis. And in volunteer forces, the troops driving trucks are generally doing that because they specifically enlisted to do that job.

The largest volunteer army in the world is the US Army. Please provide evidence that enlistees can specifically be truck drivers if they choose to be.

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Post by whynotmaybe »

stackedinserter wrote: post #212
whynotmaybe wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can it be fake if it's defense related spending?

Because it's one week "training".

Many NATO countries' healthcare and pensions for retired personnel is included in their NATO spending. Should that also be classified as "fake" because if they're retired or sick, they're not really active anymore?

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Post by jjgreen »

stirfish wrote: post #195
Retric wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Useful for what role? It’s not obvious if someone has near significant or near zero training when they are acting as a stationary guard at a checkpoint etc. Which enables trained troops to preform more useful roles. They are significantly less likely to do the correct thing if attacked, but a war isn’t going to just be over in 24 hours either so they can be trained up on the job.

More likely driving trucks, cooking meals, filling out spreadsheets, etc

Excel? War is hell.
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