There is a massive difference between collecting your DNA and iris or fingerprint.
a Gattaca-esq society is terrifying.
Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
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Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
#212One thing that i would prefer in biometrics would be that the iris/fingerprints get treated as what they are publicly available and easily obtainable data. At worst using it a a secret key is similar to using your name as a hidden variable for authorisation, whent it sshould strictly be a identification token.And once leaked you cant revoke it . Back on topic , a Gattaca type system is unbelievably bleak and when(not…
Absolutely not. That is legitimately beyond insane. Fingerprints are used for investigating crimes. Giving them the access to this information before hand puts you as being investigated everytime they find a fingerprint at a crime scene.
They haven’t seen those movies.
Imagine someone wanting to frame someone for a crime and using their publicly available fingerprint data to manufacture gloves that reproduce that fingerprint.
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#213Don't most people in the US get fingerprinted at some point? Let's see. I've been fingerprinted, all 10 fingers, for, at least, 1) the US Army, 2) security clearance for a DoD job, multiple times, 3) a permit to ride a horse on SF Water Department property, and 4) Customs and Border Protection Global Entry, which also took an iris scan. California DMV takes a thumbprint, but not all 10 fingers. They've been recording…
Exactly. As a naturalized citizen my fingerprints are already on file.
- everytime I entered the US when I was not a citizen
- when I filed my green card application
- when I went for my citizenship interview
- TSA precheck biometrics because I travel quite a bit.
Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
#214Don't most people in the US get fingerprinted at some point? Let's see. I've been fingerprinted, all 10 fingers, for, at least, 1) the US Army, 2) security clearance for a DoD job, multiple times, 3) a permit to ride a horse on SF Water Department property, and 4) Customs and Border Protection Global Entry, which also took an iris scan. California DMV takes a thumbprint, but not all 10 fingers. They've been recording…
I live in the apparent dystopia that is the UK and I've never had my fingerprint or DNA taken. Seems a bit of an overreach.
Likewise a British citizen in the UK. Funnily, while the UK government does not have my fingerprints, the US gov does! They were taken at the border when I visited. All 10 fingers
Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
FWIW, I've believed we've had an authoritarian in power for quite a while now. Obama, Trump, Biden, and Bush have all tried and succeeded in expanding executive power. They've all engaged in extrajudicial killings overseas. Nothing sets me off like seeing people think this behavior from Trump doesn't have shared roots across both parties. Biden kept kids in cages. Obama bombed weddings. Yes, the current admin is acce…
Authoritarianism by definition is about controlling all the forms of power, not about expanding one. Nor it has anything to do with what countries do around the world. You can be democratically elected, law abiding, not overreach and bomb weddings abroad, those are not related. US has the same constitutional weakness of the countries that went authoritarian in the last decades: a presidential republic. There's one th…
"You can be … law abiding … and bomb weddings abroad"
No you can't. International law (e.g. UN charters, Geneva conventions, etc.) once ratified become actual US domestic law.
Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
#216Hospitals in california steal the DNA of every single baby born there and collect it in a database. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-newborn-dna-privacy-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baby-dna-parental-consent-genet...
Take it easy. The federal budget for the backup of that database was cancelled. We just have to wait for the next HD failure. And then we are anonymous again !
Unless it gets backed up by some hackers.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given that we don’t know why electromagnetism exists, this is basically true for many technologies.
We don't know why the world itself exists so everything is magic
This is true, and the fact that humans mostly become blind to this magic past the age of 5 is one of the reasons we live in such a dismal world.
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
100%. Let’s not let partisanship distract us from the omni-presence of the military industrial complex and the authoritarian bent of everyone who’s been in power in the US over the last several decades. Dems will tinker around the edges to make it more palatable, but there’s still: black sites, torture, drone strikes, unjustified wars, installing of puppet governments in sovereign nations, abuse of the commons for pr…
Nit: Quality of life for average Germans went up, not down, once they brought back slavery and started pillaging other countries. If that's the metric we're using to decide what form of government we want, then all bets are off; ethics and morality play no part.
To be fair, pixelready said "average person," not "average American."
Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
100%. Let’s not let partisanship distract us from the omni-presence of the military industrial complex and the authoritarian bent of everyone who’s been in power in the US over the last several decades. Dems will tinker around the edges to make it more palatable, but there’s still: black sites, torture, drone strikes, unjustified wars, installing of puppet governments in sovereign nations, abuse of the commons for pr…
Nit: Quality of life for average Germans went up, not down, once they brought back slavery and started pillaging other countries. If that's the metric we're using to decide what form of government we want, then all bets are off; ethics and morality play no part.
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Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
#220FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO
This is the only sane and decent answer to that. I wish more people were honest and had some gut at least to say this.