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Re: Amazon strategised about keeping water use secret

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

827a wrote: post #193
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #109

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Sure, but: 1. Farmers oftentimes make zero effort to reduce their water usage. There's water reduction strategies they could employ, if they cared, but instead the vast multi-farm conglomerates invest their efforts in securing below-market, oftentimes monopolistic, control over water rights in their area, so they can use use an excess amount. Meanwhile, data center operators are (rightly) expected to engineer extreme…

This is a long rant about your perception of farmers which puts your hate and condescension of them on full display.

Idk (and idc) if it's a personal or political thing but either way I'm not engaging further.

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #181
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #144

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This assumes no such thing.

You're right, it asserts it. Lobbying is not necessary, and in some other wealthy countries it would be considered bribery. It only becomes advocacy when you take the money out of it.

This is a Netflix-political-drama enthusiast's understanding of lobbying. Turn off House of Cards or whatever and try to build something.

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

fainpul wrote: post #174
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #115

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"It's wild to see how Americans are able to procure an extremely high quality protein source inexpensively"

It's pretty easy if you don't care about animal welfare and environmental issues. As soon as you care, prices go up steeply.

American cows lead very good lives, up to including death. Better than pretty much any mammal on earth except for humans and 1st world pets.

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

Faelon wrote: post #149
artursapek wrote: post #110

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Yeah people who eat beef are actually healthier than vegetarians.

This stands against the evidence. Beef is causally linked with the largest killers of Americans, including heart diabetes, diabetes, and obesity in general. "a mostly plant-based diet could prevent approximately 11 million deaths per year globally, and could sustainably produce enough food for the planet’s growing population without further damage to the environment." A "Mediterranean diet" is more healthy than the a…

Beef is not causally linked to diabetes.

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Post by vjvjvjvjghv »

nradov wrote: post #111
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #66

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We need our protein or we will die immediately.

Ha ha, but seriously unlike other nutrients the human body can't really store protein reserves for any length of time. So you do need to keep taking in quite a bit every day or the body will break down muscle in order to sustain other tissues. https://peterattiamd.com/rhondapatrick3/ The protein doesn't necessarily have to come from beef, although that is one of the highest quality sources in terms of digestibility (…

You need protein for sure. But unless you want to win Mr Universe you will probably get enough through regular nutrition. And there are a lot of other things besides protein you need in your food. The current “Protein in everything” trend is just a fad created by industry

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Post by zemvpferreira »

jodrellblank wrote: post #81
zemvpferreira wrote: post #46

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I don’t drink ‘almond beverage’ but given the amount of uses it has substituting milk (and the amount of people that accept them) it seems like a very relevant comparison. Maybe I’m not sofisticated enough but I’m yet to see a candy corn mlik latte be ordered.

> I’m yet to see a candy corn mlik latte be ordered. Not exactly the same, but can I interest you in a caramel-waffle-oat-milk latte? https://mightydrinks.com/cdn/shop/files/Barista-CW.png

You certainly can sir!

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Post by micromacrofoot »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #212
micromacrofoot wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, it asserts it. Lobbying is not necessary, and in some other wealthy countries it would be considered bribery. It only becomes advocacy when you take the money out of it.

This is a Netflix-political-drama enthusiast's understanding of lobbying. Turn off House of Cards or whatever and try to build something.

I've built enough things to know that you don't build understanding by insulting people. You seem to disagree with my position, but are unable to find the words to defend yours.

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Post by wyre »

mikkupikku wrote: post #207
wyre wrote: post #198

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You're going to have to cite strong sources or else this is either heavy cope or straight-up denial. It is inconceivable that American's consume as much beef as they do, yet production has been able to scale without resorting to factory-farming. Every other commodity food is factory farmed. It's asinine to think beef is immune to that.

Bro, get out of the city or just look at a map, America is absolutely enormous. There is no shortage of land to let cows graze on. Feedlots for cattle aren't even necessary at all, they're only used to increase profit. What's really asinine is that you have such strong opinions about a subject you know nothing about and demand that other people do research for you.

Cope harder, bro. Show me sources. Cattle is a massive industry and it should not be hard to find sources proving me wrong. Calves live on pasture for the first few months, but are then transferred to backgrounding farms, that are technically still pastures, but are fed a highly supplemented diet and have less room to roam. STFU about me not knowing what I'm talking about.

Feedlots are absolutely necessary at the levels that American's consume beef. It might look like there isn't a shortage of pasture for cows, but the truth is there is not enough land to transition to 100% grass-fed with American's level of consumption. [1]

[1] https://grazingfacts.com/land-use

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Post by nradov »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #215
nradov wrote: post #111

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Ha ha, but seriously unlike other nutrients the human body can't really store protein reserves for any length of time. So you do need to keep taking in quite a bit every day or the body will break down muscle in order to sustain other tissues. https://peterattiamd.com/rhondapatrick3/ The protein doesn't necessarily have to come from beef, although that is one of the highest quality sources in terms of digestibility (…

You need protein for sure. But unless you want to win Mr Universe you will probably get enough through regular nutrition. And there are a lot of other things besides protein you need in your food. The current “Protein in everything” trend is just a fad created by industry

How much is "enough" exactly? Can you quantify that for us? There's a huge difference between enough to avoid acute malnutrition in a young person versus enough to optimize healthspan in an older person. Did you even listen to the podcast I linked above?

It is totally possible to get enough protein (by whatever metric you choose) through regular food. And yet the reality is that many people don't.

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Post by Yeul »

mrguyorama wrote: post #168
lukeschlather wrote: post #89

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Just for a single point of comparison, California's alfalfa consumes 15% of the state's water. All that alfalfa is going to feed cattle. California only produces 9% of the USA's alfalfa so it's easy to say that this is a tremendous amount of water. Almonds also consume 15% of California's water. But California produces 80% of the world's almonds. We're talking about an order of magnitude difference in water consumpti…

The comparison you are bringing up actually just gets to the heart of the issue. California agricultural water is so fucking cheap, you can buy foreign land, start a farm, grow a bunch of grass, and ship it over to your country. And that's cheaper than just growing grass locally. That's insane Most problems California has are the same: Systems that were initially designed and built a hundred or more years ago to supp…

Corporations never want to pay for the problems that they cause. They would rather go bankrupt and start a new company.
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