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Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by trhway »

random3 wrote: post #133
neilv wrote: post #91

> Omnilert later admitted the incident was a “false positive” but claimed the system “functioned as intended,” saying its purpose is to “prioritize safety and awareness through rapid human verification.” It just created a situation in which a bunch of people with guns were told that some teen had a gun. That's a very unsafe situation that the system created, out of nothing. And some teen may be traumatized. Again, un…

It’s actually “AI swarmed” since no human reasoning, only execution, was exerted - basically have an AI directing resources.

delegating decision to AI, excluding human from the "human in the loop" is kind of unexpected as a first step, as in general it was expected that exclusion will start from the other end. Sideway i wonder how is that going to happen on the battlefield.

for this civilian use case the next step - AR googles worn by police with that AI will be projecting onto the googles where that teenager has his gun (kind of Black Mirror style), and the next step after that is obviously excluding the humans even from the execution step.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by dmd »

MisterTea wrote: post #199
adaml_623 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a really good question. Sadly the answer is that they think it's how the system is meant to work. Well that seems to be the answer that I see coming from police spokespeople

Its likely procedure that they have to follow (see my other post in this thread.) I hate to say this but I get it. Imagine a scenario happens where they decide "sounds phony. stand down." only for it to be real and people are hurt/killed because the "cops ignored our pleas for help and did nothing." which would be a horrible mistake they could be liable for, never mind the media circus and PR damage. So they treat al…

To that end, we should all have a cop assigned to us. One cop per citizen, with a gun pointed at our head at all times. Imagine a scenario happens where someone does something and that cop wasn't there? Better to be safe.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by _def »

MisterTea wrote: post #198
lelandfe wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was swatted once. Girlfriend's house. Someone called 911 and said they'd seen me kill a neighbor, drag their body into the house, and was now holding my gf's family hostage. We answered the screams at the door to guns pointed at our faces, and countless cops. It was explained to us that this was the restrained version. We got a knock. Unfortunately, I understand why these responses can't be neutered too much. You j…

Happened to a friend of mine by an ex GF who said he was on psych meds (true though he is nonviolent with no history) and that he was threatening to kill his parents. NYPD SWAT no-knock kicked the door down to his apartment which terrorized his elderly parents as they pointed guns at their son (in his words, "machine guns".) BUT because he has psych issues and on meds he was forced into a cop car in front of the whol…

> who said he was on psych meds (true though he is nonviolent with no history)

I don't understand the connection here

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by goopypoop »

random3 wrote: post #133
neilv wrote: post #91

> Omnilert later admitted the incident was a “false positive” but claimed the system “functioned as intended,” saying its purpose is to “prioritize safety and awareness through rapid human verification.” It just created a situation in which a bunch of people with guns were told that some teen had a gun. That's a very unsafe situation that the system created, out of nothing. And some teen may be traumatized. Again, un…

It’s actually “AI swarmed” since no human reasoning, only execution, was exerted - basically have an AI directing resources.

when attacked by bees am I hive swarmed?

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by [deleted] »

MisterTea wrote: post #198
lelandfe wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was swatted once. Girlfriend's house. Someone called 911 and said they'd seen me kill a neighbor, drag their body into the house, and was now holding my gf's family hostage. We answered the screams at the door to guns pointed at our faces, and countless cops. It was explained to us that this was the restrained version. We got a knock. Unfortunately, I understand why these responses can't be neutered too much. You j…

Happened to a friend of mine by an ex GF who said he was on psych meds (true though he is nonviolent with no history) and that he was threatening to kill his parents. NYPD SWAT no-knock kicked the door down to his apartment which terrorized his elderly parents as they pointed guns at their son (in his words, "machine guns".) BUT because he has psych issues and on meds he was forced into a cop car in front of the whol…

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Post by array_key_first »

wat10000 wrote: post #115
bilbo0s wrote: post #100

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>And some teen may be traumatized. Um. That's not really the danger here. The danger is that it's as clear as day that in the future someone is gonna be killed. That's not just a possibility. It's a certainty given the way the system is set up. This tech is not supposed to be used in this fashion. It's not ready.

I fully agree, but we also really need to get to a place where drawing the attention of police isn't an axiomatically life-threatening situation.

Even despite the massive protests in the past few years, we're moving further in that direction.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by 010101010101 »

dmd wrote: post #212
MisterTea wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its likely procedure that they have to follow (see my other post in this thread.) I hate to say this but I get it. Imagine a scenario happens where they decide "sounds phony. stand down." only for it to be real and people are hurt/killed because the "cops ignored our pleas for help and did nothing." which would be a horrible mistake they could be liable for, never mind the media circus and PR damage. So they treat al…

To that end, we should all have a cop assigned to us. One cop per citizen, with a gun pointed at our head at all times. Imagine a scenario happens where someone does something and that cop wasn't there? Better to be safe.

Why stop at one? Imagine how much safer we’d be with TWO cops per citizen! And all those extra jobs that would be created!

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by [deleted] »

_def wrote: post #213
MisterTea wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happened to a friend of mine by an ex GF who said he was on psych meds (true though he is nonviolent with no history) and that he was threatening to kill his parents. NYPD SWAT no-knock kicked the door down to his apartment which terrorized his elderly parents as they pointed guns at their son (in his words, "machine guns".) BUT because he has psych issues and on meds he was forced into a cop car in front of the whol…

> who said he was on psych meds (true though he is nonviolent with no history) I don't understand the connection here

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Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by jMyles »

Everything around us: political tumult and weaponization of the justice system, ICE and other capricious projections of federal authority, the failure of drug prohibition, and on and on and on, points to a very simple solution:

Abolish SWAT teams. Do away with the idea that the state employees can be permitted to be more armed than anyone else.

Blaming the so-called 'swatter' (whether it's a human or AI) is really not getting at the root of the problem.

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