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Alibaba Cloud says it cut Nvidia AI GPU use by 82% with new pooling system

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Alibaba Cloud claims to reduce Nvidia GPU used for serving unpopular models by 82% (emphasis mine) > 17.7 per cent of GPUs allocated to serve only 1.35 per cent of requests in Alibaba Cloud’s marketplace, the researchers found Instead of 1192 GPUs they now use 213 for serving those requests.

I’m slightly confuse as to how all this works. Do the GPUs just sit there with the models on them when the models are not in use? I guess I’d assumed this sort of thing would be allocated dynamically. Of course, there’s a benefit to minimizing the number of times you load a model. But surely if a GPU+model is idle for more than a couple minutes it could be freed? (I’m not an AI guy, though—actually I’m used to asking…

>Do the GPUs just sit there with the models on them when the models are not in use

I've assumed that as well. It makes sense to me since loading up a model locally takes a while. I wonder if there is some sort of better way I'm not in the know about. That or too GPU poor to know about.

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> Otherwise Nigeria or Indonesia would be scientific powerhouses, and Iran would have modern fighter jets. The reason why these statements are not true is because of colonization, delayed industrialization, and Western intervention post-independence. Getting out of this “quicksand” is exceedingly difficult. China did well to industrialize quickly and keep intervention at bay - in fact, you could argue that it making…

This world view is just wrong from top to bottom. Between 1945-1970, China was in a much worser state that any of those 3rd world countries in many aspects. Are you saying post 1970, the reason why these countries did not develop as fast as china is because of colonialism and intervention? You can apply the same arguments to Japan in 45 and Korea in 50. But but but aid? Ok and we send billions to countries all around…

China wasn't beholden to neoliberalism and the World Bank and IMF.

China made the right choice to dump a ton of resources into different industries without the expectation of immediate RoI or any RoI at all. Anyone or anything that got in the way of their goals were dealt with.

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You're right, alliances are not boolean. From the US perspective, we have been asking ourselves "can we trust Europe's military capacity" for a very long time and the answer (prior to 2025) was: NO. With Trump on one side and Russia on the other, it seems like the answer has shifted to: MAYBE.

> From the US perspective, we have been asking ourselves "can we trust Europe's military capacity" for a very long time and the answer (prior to 2025) was: NO. NATO's mutual defense clause has only been activated once: after 9/11, when the United States declared war on the Taliban in Afghanistan. Out of the 3621 deaths of coalition soldiers, 1160 of them were from nations other than the United States, including 457 f…

Yes I served with those people so I am not denigrating their sacrifice when I say:

2001 was 24 years ago. A lot has changed since then. Europe's militaries are much degraded and the threats are much enhanced.

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You're right, alliances are not boolean. From the US perspective, we have been asking ourselves "can we trust Europe's military capacity" for a very long time and the answer (prior to 2025) was: NO. With Trump on one side and Russia on the other, it seems like the answer has shifted to: MAYBE.

Frankly, this sounds like you're repeating propaganda. When the US called its allies to its wars, NATO responded. Now that the rest of NATO is being threatened, the US is playing neutral, trying to see which side will bid highest for their help.

Which NATO ally is being threatened?

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Bad reading comprehension. You're talking about recognizing IP, I am talking about stealing IP AND selling stolen IP in our markets. 1st: yes force can be used to discourage the theft of IP. This is merely an obstacle, not a total blocker 2nd: yes force can be used to block IP from our markets. This is actually incredibly trivial and would have been very easy 40-years ago.

>You're talking about recognizing IP, I am talking about stealing IP ..." If country does not recognize IP then "stealing" is not a theft in their eyes. As for using force to prevent "theft": what force? Military? You might get burned really bad.

Sorry no. If you can't imagine how one country couldn't use force to stop another country from stealing IP then you are either not intellectually up to this conversation or not arguing in good faith.

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A military controlling the flow of goods into its own borders isn't going to "burn bad", it's called customs controls.

>"The issue is allowing the Chinese to steal IP and then compete in our markets with that stolen IP" That was the original message. My understanding of "our markets" was customers of the US which include the US itself, China and many other countries. Sure the US can prohibit importing of China's goods. It can not control what happens in the rest of the world to the degree that it once could.

I did specify the 70s 80s and 90s.

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>the same time the US is breaking up its own alliances This isn't happening. The US is driving a harder bargain with our allies. No one serious thinks anyone is walking away from alliances with the US.

I observe serious financial commitments towards walking away from US tech: The EU is pumping money into what they call "digital sovereignty" left and right. Germany just cancelled their Microsoft subscriptions and replaced them with self-funded Open Source for Schleswig-Holstein, which is roughly 5% of all government employees. That's one hell of a trial run. Germany's "OpenDesk" and France’s "La Suite numérique" eve…

You think our alliances are Microsoft Office licenses?

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the models are huge, so not a single (latest gen) one can fit on a single GPU. It's likely that these are small unpopular (non flagship) models, or that they only pack eg one layer of each model.

Per the very short article, the solution was to pack multiple models per GPU.

yes but that could mean a layer per model

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> Otherwise Nigeria or Indonesia would be scientific powerhouses, and Iran would have modern fighter jets. The reason why these statements are not true is because of colonization, delayed industrialization, and Western intervention post-independence. Getting out of this “quicksand” is exceedingly difficult. China did well to industrialize quickly and keep intervention at bay - in fact, you could argue that it making…

This world view is just wrong from top to bottom. Between 1945-1970, China was in a much worser state that any of those 3rd world countries in many aspects. Are you saying post 1970, the reason why these countries did not develop as fast as china is because of colonialism and intervention? You can apply the same arguments to Japan in 45 and Korea in 50. But but but aid? Ok and we send billions to countries all around…

Aid is the single largest barrier to development and progress over the long term.
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