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Andrej Karpathy – It will take a decade to work through the issues with agents

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> AGI is already here. cause elon musk says FSD is coming in 2017?

Because we already have artificial (man-made) general (contrast with domain specific) intelligence (algorithmic problem solvers). A.G.I. If ChatGPT is not AGI, somebody has moved goalposts.

Both "general" and "intelligence" are _at least_ easily arguable without moving any goal posts, not that goal posts have ever been well established in the first place.

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To me, it's a matter of a very big checklist - you can keep adding tasks to the list, but if it keeps marching onwards checking things off your list, some day you will get there. whether it's a linear or asymptotic march, only time will tell.

That's like saying that if we image every neuron in the brain we will understand thinking. We can build these huge databases and they tell us nothing about the process of thinking.

What if we copy the functionality of every neuron? what if we simply copy all the skills that those neurons compute?

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AGI is already here if you shift some goal posts :) From skimming the conversation it seems to mostly revolve around LLMs (transformer models) which is probably not going to be the way we obtain AGI to begin with, frankly it is too simple to be AGI, but the reason why there's so much hype is because it is simple to begin with so really I don't know.

A transistor is very simple too, and here we are. Don’t dismiss something because it’s simple.

You got to look at how it scales. LLMs have already stopped increasing in parameter count as they don't get better by scaling them up anymore. New ideas are needed.

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It's a valid term that is worth introducing to the layperson IMO. Let them know how the magic works, and how it doesn't.

How does "it's called machine learning not AI" help anyone know how it works? It's just a fancier sounding name.

Because if they're curious, they can look up (or ask an "AI") about machine learning, rather than just AI, and learn more about the capabilities and difficulties and mechanics of how it works, learn some of the history, and have grounded expectations for what the next 10 years of development might look like.

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Now that Nvidia is the most valuable company, all this talk of actual AGI will be washed away by the huge amount of dollars driving the hype train. Most of these companies value is built on the idea of AGI being achievable in the near future. AGI being too close or too far away affects the value of these companies- too close and it'll seem too likely that the current leaders will win. Too far away and the level of sp…

Exactly. A 5-10 year timeline and you've got the formula for a new Space Race with China. Give us $7T or else China will control the world.

This 2024 story feels like ancient history that everyone has forgotten: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/09/openai-ceo-sam-altman-report...

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Am I dating myself by thinking Kurzweil is still relevant? 2029: Human-level AI 2045: The Singularity - machine intelligence 1 billion times more powerful than all human intelligence Based on exponential growth in computing. He predicts we'll merge with AI to transcend biological limits. His track record is mixed, but 2029 looks more credible post-GPT-5. The 2045 claim remains highly speculative.

I lost all respect for him after reading about his views on medical immortality. His argument is that over time human life expectancy has been constantly increasing * and he calculated that based on some arbitrary rate of acceleration, that science would be expanding human life expectancy by more than a year, per year - medical immortality in other words, and all expected to happen just prior to the time he's reachin…

This is backward looking. Future advances don't have to work like this

Example: 20ish years ago, stage IV cancer was a quick death sentence. Now many people live with various stage IV cancers for many years and some even "die of sending else" these advancements obviously skew towards helping older people.

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Now that Nvidia is the most valuable company, all this talk of actual AGI will be washed away by the huge amount of dollars driving the hype train. Most of these companies value is built on the idea of AGI being achievable in the near future. AGI being too close or too far away affects the value of these companies- too close and it'll seem too likely that the current leaders will win. Too far away and the level of sp…

It’s possible for AI to provide tremendous economic value without AGI
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