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Post by red_hare »

varispeed wrote: post #153
overgard wrote: post #37

I get the impression they're trying to market this to laptop users. I'm still very skeptical of iPads as a productivity device. The problem isn't the hardware, it's the OS, the app store and the model for selling apps. Apple's app store policies make it hard to sell expensive software (which most productivity apps are somewhat expensive), it also makes it hard to distribute free software (as in open source -- because…

I bought iPad Pro M4 and I am yet to find a use case for it. Combined with non-secure cloud backup in the UK, I see it as a toy device. Watch YouTube, casually browse web (I am yet to install VPN). So far the most use I had with it was recording meetings, so that later I can relisten. If I was able to run Ubuntu on it or even macOs - that would have been a different story...

I've gotten 7 years out of my 2018 iPad Pro and, for my use case of video, browsing, and Procreate, it feels like new. And I believe a big part of that is that the A12X was wildly overpowered when I bought it.

I think someone deciding between an M4 and an M5 today should consider its value 5 years down the road, rather than its value today.

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Post by pjmlp »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #208
pjmlp wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really, because iPadOS fails short of being a proper Dynabook. Who needs an emulator when running on device?!?

Now you are going to list exactly how. Just a reminder before you start playing the old guy card - I’m 51 and started coding in 1986. You would need an emulator if you wanted to run Android Studio or use the much flowery process of updating the phone every time you made a change.

Than I wonder why you think using Android Studio on an iPad is the only reason to have a proper OS experience with the same capabilities as macOS.

As for Dynabook like experience, given our age, you can certainly find the difference on your own.

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

reaperducer wrote: post #76
whimsicalism wrote: post #71

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or a terminal or a decent ide or an ability to script anything. lots of companies rely on custom bespoke software made by an employee who got fed up by something, basically no possibility of doing that on an ipad, etc etc. but sure, just call me an NPC, you’re so unique and good at noticing patterns and not rude

or a terminal Here ya go: https://panic.com/prompt/ There have been terminal programs for the iPad since at least 2017, when I started using the one above. As for "custom bespoke software," why would you try to run that on an iPad in the first place? My company has plenty custom in-house programs, but I don't complain that they won't run on a toaster, or a Commodore 64, or a Cray. That's like saying you won't buy a s…

It's wild to me the levels someone will go to defend a corporation's right to lock away the ability to install anything the user wants.

In a perfect (from their pov) world Apple would prefer the internet didn't even exist, that way they could put up a walled garden AppleNet and take 30% of everything there too.

I chose your comment to respond to but there's a handful of you going to war in the comments, it's just wild to me.

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Post by DamnInteresting »

tristor wrote: post #111

I have never figured out what the point of a tablet is, except for entertainment. I keep wanting to buy an iPad every time a new one comes out, yet I've never bought one, and keep failing to see any point to it. I have a reMarkable device, which is a sort of tablet, but I use it exclusively for taking notes by hand in meetings, which is basically what it is designed for. I have a Kindle, which is kind of like a table…

Apart from watching videos, I use mine for making music (podcast scoring) and for drawing (formal illustrations, doodling, and sketching out designs). There are also a few games that I feel play best on an iPad, such as Balatro.

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Post by thewebguyd »

tristor wrote: post #201
thewebguyd wrote: post #161

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It could be a great device for certain types of creation also. I use mine for editing photos. But, I still have to start and end the process with Lightroom classic on my Mac because of stupid decisions by Adobe to rent-seek with cloud storage, offering no local-stroage workflow option with the iPad app (and deliberately leaving out some features only available in LR Classic). Likewise, I would love to do all of my ph…

Even on the laptop, Lightroom Classic is missing capabilities and has poor UX for common workflows. I've used Lightroom for 15 years, and at this point I primarily use DXO Photo Lab for editing, I only use Lightroom as a digital library management tool. I can't even fathom using the current Adobe products on iOS to try to do my workflow. That's mostly due to software, but also because I can't connect a high performan…

I'll be honest I haven't tried DXO Photo Lab yet. I've tried CaptureOne but could never get used to it, although I do prefer it's far more advanced color tools. Lightroom is really basic in comparison.

But I'm going to end up with a subscription anyway because of Photoshop so I've just always stuck with LR. That, and I used a LUT I built using Davinci Resolve, blended with the Camera Standard profile that I use as a slider in Lightroom (Classic) and I haven't found a way to do something similar in any other program yet (you can create these creative profiles in photoshop too but Davinci's color grading tools are so far superior). It's a key part of my look.

Also FWIW M1 and newer iPad Pros have thunderbolt 4

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

pjmlp wrote: post #212
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now you are going to list exactly how. Just a reminder before you start playing the old guy card - I’m 51 and started coding in 1986. You would need an emulator if you wanted to run Android Studio or use the much flowery process of updating the phone every time you made a change.

Than I wonder why you think using Android Studio on an iPad is the only reason to have a proper OS experience with the same capabilities as macOS. As for Dynabook like experience, given our age, you can certainly find the difference on your own.

This is where this part of the thread started

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45594747

> The ability to run Xcode? Maybe run Linux in a VM (no, emulation does not count). Maybe run nvim with python/node/rust/go/gcc toolchains on the iPad? How about Wireshark? I really liked using Nixdroid on my Pixel, why can't I have something similar on iOS/iPadOS? Android can run Android Studio. Why can't an iPad run Xcode?

How much of that could you do on your Dynabook? How was web browsing? The office suites? Video and audio editing? The office suites? Even the games?

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Post by crims0n »

fuzzy2 wrote: post #39
sylens wrote: post #4

I have a 2018 iPad Pro that is due for replacement but I cannot bring myself to spend the money on a new iPad. No matter how much I think I'll use it, it becomes a web browsing and YouTube machine on the couch. It's a shame because I think the hardware design is quite good, but the OS itself is so limiting, even with the "improvements" iPadOS 26 introduced.

What’s wrong with the iPad being a pure consumption device? It’s really great at this. Granted, you don’t need an iPad Pro for consumption, but you could always go for an iPad or iPad Air, no? I have a 2017 iPad Pro and once the battery finally dies will replace it with a non-Pro iPad.

I agree with this sentiment, but if you are using it primarily as a consumption device, the OLED screen is probably worth sticking with the Pro line.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

eptcyka wrote: post #159
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #110

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I would not want to run XCode let alone Android Studio with an Android emulator with 12GB RAM or a VM. Even the lowest end MacBook Air comes with 16GB RAM.

It depends entirely on your target - you don’t need an emulator if you are already running an android device. Xcode on my macbook doesn’t need 12GB. It is of course a different story if you need to also run clang-analyzer or rust-analyzer in addition to xcode/studio, but still, 16GB would be enough to get by for a sizeable chunk of devs.

(I replied to the wrong comment originally)

I haven’t done mobile development for ages, but isn’t it always slower to have to update the app on the phone all of the time?

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Post by tempoponet »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #28
pjmlp wrote: post #14

Great hardware spoiled by a toy OS.

What doesn’t the OS do as of OS 26 that most ordinary people care about?

Everyone has their own hill to die on, that's the thing about personal computing. It's the same if you ask why they can't switch mobile OS. It's some seemingly trivial app or feature that almost nobody cares about.

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Post by masklinn »

davidcollantes wrote: post #170
overgard wrote: post #37

I get the impression they're trying to market this to laptop users. I'm still very skeptical of iPads as a productivity device. The problem isn't the hardware, it's the OS, the app store and the model for selling apps. Apple's app store policies make it hard to sell expensive software (which most productivity apps are somewhat expensive), it also makes it hard to distribute free software (as in open source -- because…

For work I need an SSH client to access remote servers, and a web browser for when ClickOps is needed. Long battery life, and a tack sharp touch screen are gladly accepted. An iPad is the perfect "laptop" for me.

GP is not talking about “an iPad” tho, but an iPad Pro with a literal laptop-class CPU.
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